Thursday, April 2, 2009

Phil Spector Verdict Watch Day 4

6:58 am: Good morning everyone. I'm still home, but I will be leaving for court in about an hour. The question I'm sure everyone has this morning is, will the full panel show up today or will Fidler be choosing another alternate. I'll give you an update as soon as it's announced in the courtroom.

9:12 am: The PIO has just confirmed the jury will not be deliberating again until Monday morning!

10:05 am: I'm back home! I was in the 9th floor hallway with Linda from San Diego. While I was in the restroom she ran into Officer Williams who told her the jury wasn't deliberating today. She then immediately called the PIO department and got a confirmation and the information that the jury won't be back deliberating until Monday. I was on the phone with my co-blogger donchais at the time and I asked her to post the update at 9:12 am.

Since Linda from San Diego would have to wait until 3:25 pm for the first train she can take back home, I've brought her home with me to hang out and have lunch. I'll take her back to the Red Line this afternoon so she can catch her train home. I'm waiting for a callback from the PIO department for some questions I've asked them. Once I get the answers, I'll post them.

10:45 am: Not much else to do now, except speculate on when a verdict may be reached.

11:08 am: I just got an answer back from the PIO department to my questions. Since the bailiff came out of the jury room with a piece of paper in his hand I thought that "maybe" that would have the foreperson's identity on the paper. Unfortunately, it didn't. The PIO said that the message to the bailiff and the clerk about the sick juror were verbal. The official end time for deliberations yesterday was 11:32 am.

11:16 am: I almost forgot. The PIO stated that the court did not give any reason for the delay in deliberations until Monday.

Somehow, my entry where I contacted the PIO department got lost. The PIO department said that the foreperson has not yet been identified. The communication from the juror to the bailiff and the clerk was all verbal. I thought since I saw the bailiff with a piece of paper in his hand at 11:45 am, that there might have been a communication from the jury on paper. There obviously wasn't.

1:09 am: I'm sorry I messed up the poll! I'll fix it now. There have been several comments that someone has tried to leave, that indicate that they know who was chosen as foreperson. The PIO states that there is no "official" word yet on who the individual is. The PIO spoke directly to the bailiff in charge of the jurors. Until that juror is known officially, I will not publish these comments.
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72 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thanks Sprocket!

Chelsea said...

We're ready......

Chelsea said...

Hope all the jurors are feeling well this morning....

Tubilidentata said...

Have a splendid day and keep us on the edge of our seats. Did Fidler make any sort of ruling yesterday? Take it under advisement? Drop back 10 yards and punt? Thanks for being our eyes.

Anonymous said...

Another 4 day week-end for the jury...geez.......makes me wonder who little Phil has bought this time.

Chelsea said...

Jesus. This case is doomed. I am so MAD!!

Anonymous said...

This is absolutely unbelievable! At this rate the jury deliberations will take longer than the whole trial did. They got the case nearly a week ago and they've hardly begun serious deliberations. I wonder why the judge just doesn't replace the jurror. It certainly shouldn't be hard to start over, as they've hardly started at all. Wow, this is so very frustrating. Well Sprocket, I guess you'll be getting some more extra time off. Hope you enjoy! Thanks, as always.

Nan

Anonymous said...

bummer!

Anonymous said...

Deliberate 6 hours, take 4 days off, deliberate 2 hours, take 4 days off.

I predict a verdict by….June!

Anonymous said...

Noooo!
Thank you Sprocket, for keeping us up to date. Will you still be doing your regularly-scheduled interview tonight?

-Velouria

Anonymous said...

Wonder why?

caroleigh said...

I can't believe this! Sprocket why?
another weekend?? Of freedom??
Oh my God......
This Frigging Trial Is Taking Forever
I bet it's because of the juror that got sick yesterday, and they've decided to wait until Monday rather than start from scratch?
Good grief they only just got started!
I'm pushing F5 thanks to the 10 year-old!

Carol L Beck said...

Sprocket:

Did you get all the way to the courthouse to find out no court today? I'm sorry about that. Guess the "polls" are outdated now, huh. Enjoy your long weekend off & thanks for your response last night. I was thrilled to hear from you.

Thanks again,

Carol

Anonymous said...

Thanks for all your trial and deliberation coverage, Sprocket. Can't believe that the defendant has at least four more days of freedom. Was any reason given?

Anonymous said...

Come on, what's going on? They won't be deliberating again until Monday. I'm starting to lose hope! Lock them up in a small room with a porta-potty and a dozen donuts and don't let them out until they have reached a decision!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

This happening entered my mind last night and I told myself NO WAY they would do this. This is turning into a nightmare. Get some rest and enjoy the weekend. I know Phil was thrilled to hear this news.

Anonymous said...

OMG--this is ridiculous! Well the good news is that at least I can leave the house and run my errands without worrying about missing the verdict.

Anonymous said...

JF should tell the jury to start taking deliberations more seriously or he'll make them sit through Weinberg's closing again!!!!!!!

iwishiwas said...

Agggghhhh.....

I know it's not you, you're just the one who gets to hear us vent. Anyway, thanks and hope you have a wonderful extended weekend.
Until then,
Iwishiwas

Anonymous said...

What happened that they are off until Monday? I wonder if all this time off is going to cause a problem with the jurors....

Anonymous said...

This is honestly becoming laughable. I have never seen such a circus act. Let me guess....scared the flu bug might spread to other jurors? Spray some Lysol.

Anonymous said...

Don't these people have lives and regular jobs they need to get back to? Are they retired? unemployed? This la-te-da attitude is killing me!

SHI_ or get off the pot!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I thought this why they choose alternates.
Thank you for your service to all of us who cannot be there.
Susan

Anonymous said...

i hope that the juror is feeling better.

Greg said...

Enjoy a long and gorgeous weekend Miss Sprocket.

Thank you for your coverage.

I've been a long time lurker to your site. I enjoy Miss Blaine's take on this issue as well.

Take care - take some time to yourself for once. Gosh, that will fall on deaf ears I bet. You can see the finish line and your enjoying the ride too much, aren't you?

By the way. I am VERY pro-defense in my philosophy. I watched the first trial closely on that network that used to cover trials decently. I had him guilty then. Not a hard call.

Rachelle is very skeevy to me as well. The karma may not be instant for her, but oine thing is sure - that karma train is rolling down the tracks...gathering speed.

Hear me now, believe me later. ;)

Greg
Las Vegas, NV

Anonymous said...

It seems to me that it will take less time to let the person who's sick rest and recuperate than start all over from the beginning. Let Phil stew.

Anonymous said...

Wow another 4 day weekend...Well at least they will get a full week of diliberation.. that is Next week. Oh well can't do anything about it so I hope You all have a great extended weekend. Thank you sprocket for going all the way down. We all appreciate your effort and your time. Thanks again



Linda in Tx

Anonymous said...

I feel horrible for Lana's family. Having to endure this never-ending ordeal involving their precious Lana and that freak Spector.

Anonymous said...

i'm in nj. how do i access your radio interviews?

another head-smacker in the tiny phil show! what, exactly, are alternates for?

Greg said...

Oh Ratz.

I just realized that my vote that the jury would be in by, ahem - yesterday is a big fat loser.

Remind me to stay out of the casinos.

Greg
Las Vegas, NV

Anonymous said...

I'm thinking a short week again next week if they do not decide by Thursday. Don't know if the courts have off for Good Friday but since they had an early day on Ash Wednesday, I guess they will have off Good Friday as well. That is assuming none of the other jurors have caught the flu or whatever virus by Monday. If you are open to questions, has there been any rumors as to where Pie may have been? Or is she even living in CA anymore?

Anonymous said...

It's hard to have any patience at this point! A woman was murdered, and here we are on a second trial where the deliberations are consistently delayed for one reason or the other.

Ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

This jury seems very coddled to me. Wonder if Weinberg will try to publish some more op-eds in the meantime. Watch for him to stir up more dirty tricks.

This delay is just silly. They should have sequestered them for deliberations. That would make them move a lot faster.

Anonymous said...

And April 9 is the start of Passover, and April 10 is Good Friday. This is ridiculous. The case is a slam dunk. They need to focus and get momentum.

Anonymous said...

Guys,

With all due respect, I think many here are over-reacting.

A juror came back from the extended weekend (due to public holidays, nothing more) only to find out he was sick. He tried to stick it out but wasn't doing well and the other jurors recognised this. They buzzed for a question to ask what to do and the judge decided not to risk a complete outbreak which could have delayed deliberations for weeks and possibly caused a mistrial. It was a concious decision to give the juror a few days to get better and if not, replace him. A few days is cheap insurance against the possibility of infecting the whole jury and a possible mistrial.

Lets not forget one simple thing: THE BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR THE DEFENSE IS A MISTRAIL. THERE IS NO WAY PS IS BEING AQUITTED. WHATEVER THEY CAN ARGUE TO GET A MISTRIAL WILL BE DONE.

Everyone else wants a verdict because as long as a mistrial is avoided, PS is going to jail. So, WHATEVER needs to be done to avoid a mistrial must be done even if we are getting impatient.

We need to recognise this, calm down, and trust JF's judgement on how best to avoid a mistrial.

Anonymous said...

The Brandon Craig verdict scares me. I hope the jury in Spector trial is not as weak as Craig's. To think he is walking the streets this AM is unfathomable. If the little weasle walks too, it's time to redefine reasonable doubt. These jurors think you need video tape to convict.

Anonymous said...

I think we all need to focus our minds, hearts and energies on the swift recovery of the juror and the swift move to justice of the verdict.

Anonymous said...

Good question about Pie.

Why did she disappear?

If I were on that jury I would want to deliberate and get this over.

I come to work sick, get to work people!!

Carol L Beck said...

Lay off the jury people. There will be a verdict in due time. They've sat and listened to months of testimony--had to leave for the jury room every time Whineberg opened his mouth to argue. Their time is as important as anybody elses. They have a job to do and it will get done. Give them a break!

Carol

Anonymous said...

I agree with 10:56 -- next week Holy Thursday, Good Friday and Easter Vigil Saturday and Easter Sunday. I am Catholic, we already know some jurors wanted fish during Lent. Not much time to deliberate next week. Perhaps other jurors are coming down with the flu?

Carol L Beck said...

Sprocket:

I can't figure out the poll. What do Answer 1 thru Answer 5 signify? Are they days?, hours? Please help me out.

Thanks again and again and again.

Carol

Anonymous said...

I came down with the flu over the weekend. Fever, chills, aches, cough...the whole 9 yards. I still came to work. Fortunately, I have my own office with windows so not to affect others. I constantly spray Lysol because of this. But I am at work every day because others depend on me. Suck it up jurors and get to work. This isn't school where you can run to mommy & daddy when you have a tummy ache so they can call you in sick.

I'm sorry. This jury has taken a carefree attitude since closing arguments. A foreperson hasn't even been identified to us yet. They take off early, have lunch delivered early and now someone has a tummy ache. I am disgusted by all this. Absolutely pathetic

Anonymous said...

I don't see how 12 people are going to agree on ANYTHING in this trial!!
and it's going to take awhile...

Chelsea said...

Just read a tweet by the fellow who was tweeting in court:

Justice Delayed: Phil Spector's jury gets rest of week off. One juror too ill to continue, deliberations scheduled to resume Monday.

cherylt said...

ARE they TRYING to kill us? EGADS!! C'mon already, this has been drawn out LONG enough!! I hope this verdict to come will be WELL WORTH WAITING FOR!!

Man, CA sure seems like a relaxed state. In NJ, this would have been done w/in a month!

Well, I guess I don't have to obsessively check my email until Monday again... :)

Anonymous said...

Carol.

I believe the answer 1,2,3,4,5 are the hours to get a verdict.She had 6 answers but the frist one at 7-8 is over.So answer 1 is 9-10,2 is 11-12,3 is 13-14,4 is 15-16 & 5 is17-18.

But I could be wrong.But that is what I came up with.

Bigbill

Anonymous said...

And if this jury hangs like the last one what shall be done?

I hate to even think about it but if there is another idiot like Juror #10 on this jury and one more wannabe will the DA's office go for a 3rd trial Stranger things have happened, right? I'm starting to get an uneasy feeling even thought I know it's early but if they don't reach a verdict by mid-week next week - they will hang. Oh and by the way, if there is a verdict of manslaughter can Spedtor do more than four years because there was a gun involved? Thanks for any responses.

cherylt said...

Hi Sprocket,

RE: the ridiculous comments made by Weinberg as to you posting real time:

It sounds like he suffers from constipation or lack of sex. Maybe you should hand him a bottle of prune juice if it is the latter possibility!! :)

1st Amendment is right - he only remembers it when it is convenient for HIM or his client. HELLO, W - it works for ALL AMERICANS!!
What a dufus!

Anonymous said...

I have the same queston as Carol about the poll? How do you vote?

What does the 1 thru 5 signify?

Thanks! And again thanks for ALL you do :)

Anonymous said...

You just keep reporting Sprocket while we wait for the Jury to come back. I'm enjoying the fact the same trolls who adore all murderers especially if they are famous get all uptight about your fine reporting on in sessions. They are just proving how ignorant they are at all times.

caroleigh said...

I'm on the same page as Carol L. Beck, I can't figure out poll either. Where are the answers listed?
At any rate, if they go all day Monday and Tuesday, [Ho ho ho,] I say ''guilty verdict'' on Wednesday!
Rochelle, I know your reading this, have a nice weekend with your Lover, hopefully it will be your last!
Somehow I feel your probably agreeing with me!

Sprocket said...

Jury Clock:

By my calculations, I have the jurors deliberating a total of eight hours and 17 minutes. According to the PIO, the clock stopped on Wednesday at 11:32 am.

I fixed the poll, so it should be working now.

The court did not give any indication or reason as to why Judge Fidler decided to have the jurors continue deliberations on Monday.

My guess ~ and may I remind you, this is ONLY A GUESS ~ is that more than one juror called in sick this morning. Judge Fidler did indicate on Wednesday afternoon that he was concerned about other jurors getting ill from the juror who went home.

We will just have to waint and see what happens on Monday.

Geralyn said...

Last week I jokingly said to my mother that the jury had better come back before my birthday (April 19th). Now, at the rate this jury is going, I'm not so sure!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Well,,,,I was wrong.It wasn't the frist time.

Bigbill

Anonymous said...

Thanks for fixing the poll Sprocket!!!

I voted for Wed. hoping there will be a verdict by then-->Murder 2. I'll take murder 1 :)

Anonymous said...

~Happy Early Birthday Geralyn~

Wishing a guilty verdict before your birthday :) :)

caroleigh, your comment cracked me up :) I'm sure Mrs. Spector will be as happy as we are at a guilty verdict. She'll be rid of the weasel. Only she'll have to live with herself "what goes around comes around".

caroleigh said...

When the verdict is announced, I wonder who Rochelle will gyrate with next to the swimming pool, waving to the helicopter! Weinberg? It sure won't be the insect Spector
I hope!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sprocket your fantastic............ keep rocking

Janet said...

Time to chime in here, I also lost on the last poll, lol. Surely by now the jury members know what they think about Spectors guilt or innocence. Could there be some aha! tidbit they missed? Sure, but it really does seem they are milking this a bit. Maybe there is enjoyment in knowing PS is squirming in his chair, much like Lana did in her last moments. I would just like to see Phil in the handcuffs he has avoided so well in the past.

Anonymous said...

Sprocket,

I don't know how much you can talk about, but are there any jurors who you feel might turn out to be a little "squirrely" like #10 in the last trial?

what kind of vibes to you get from them? Leaning towards convicting? Ignorant, like some of the OJ jurors? What?

Anonymous said...

caroleigh, girl you gotta stop "gyrate" LOL

I'm sure whoever it is will need plenty of Moolah and there are a lot of lonely rich old men out there.

And I agree Sprocket is AWESOME!

Sprocket said...

The jury:

This is a tough call. My perceptions about the jurors could be completely off base and they are just opinions.

The last thing I would want to do is predict what a jury (or a particular juror) will do.

I've been told many times by people who know more about trial watching and juries than I do that a case is won or lost in voir dire and bow to their more experienced opinion.

I am hoping that a verdict comes back next week because the following week, I will not be able to attend the afternoon session of Monday, April 13th, IF the jury is still deliberating by then.

stroopman said...

Hello, all --

A long deliberation usually (but not always) signifies hold-outs and failure to reach the unanimous verdict that's required here. Thankfully, the actual jury deliberation time is surprisingly short, according to the Sprocket Clock, so maybe one or two full deliberation days for the jury will get them to a final vote.

As I see it, after electing a foreman and taking an initial straw poll they're conscientiously reviewing the evidence-- there's a day or two right there. Then, whoever's been watching "12 Angry Men" and too much television ("CSI," etc.) will take the majority's time trying to showboat or prove him or herself as "completely objective."

Then, if the minority agrees to let go of their dogmatic, personal, and idiosyncratic positions (pro or con), the whole jury will finally start to function as a group with a cooperative mindset, come to some collective decision and consensus.

After that, they'll vote a verdict they can all feel comfortable supporting, and only then will we get to hear whether it's "Guilty, "Not Guilty," or (pray it's not so) "We can't agree."

Anonymous said...

Regarding jury verdicts, a former prosecutor wrote me, "Nobody can ever predict with certainty what a jury will do. Those 12 people are filtering the evidence through their life experiences, including all their biases and sympathies. I have seen dead-bang cases come back not guilty--even, in one case, where there was a tape recorded confession by the defendant--believe it or not. This case was tried by a colleague of mine. The defendant took the stand and claimed it was somebody else's voice on the taped confession. If there are jurors who do not want to convict they will find a way to acquit--or they will hang the jury. All that the most experienced trial attorney can do, whether prosecutor or defense attorney, is to offer an educated guess as to what any particular jury will do in a given case. There are too many variables to predict a jury."

David From TN

Anonymous said...

Maybe Phil will get the flu too and won't be enjoying himself this weekend. I hope the jury gives us a verdict Monday. Is the court open all next week? Enjoy the weekend Sprocket.

Anonymous said...

Sprocket, what are you immediate plans following the conclusion of this trial? Will you cover other high profile cases? I want so bad for the jury to reach a verdict but at the same time don't want this to end because then what? :(

Sprocket said...

The future:

There are a couple of trials that I would like to follow that are not necessarily "high profile" like this one. First, is the retrial of Cameron Brown for the death of his 4-year-old-daughter off a Rancho Palos Verdes cliff. In his first trial, all the jurors believed he was guilty, but they could not decide on the charge, or "degree of guilt." That's a fascinating case and will be held in 107, Judge Pastor's courtroom across the hall.

There is another case, (a cold case) probably short, that a DDA I got to meet in the Spector courtroom, Jean Daly, is going to try in May. It's a man who is charged with killing his gay lover.

However, all of that will depend on what happens here at home.

Carol L Beck said...

Hi Sprocket:

If I remember correctly you had to have your own jury duty postponed. If so, when will that be? Will it be at the same courthouse? Just think, you might end up on one of the juries you want to cover.

Carol

Christine said...

As a believer in Karma:

if Phil Spector did indeed kill Lana Clarkson, which I am convinced he did by the evidence presented in the case, no matter what the outcome, there is a price that is and will be paid for actions done which involve the taking of another's life.

My one hope is that since he is not man enough to ackowledge and regret the fact that he harmed someone and caused her death, nor man enough to express any sort of remorse or apology, that the justice system will indeed work in this case and he will get some sort of punishment for his unacceptable behavior in endangering the life of another human being in a reckless way.

No matter what, in one way or other Phil Spector will pay for this terrible mistake in his life. On a very deep level I feel sorry for him, but as he seems to see himself above the law I believe the law needs to bring him down to the level of ordinary offenders.

In other words, he needs to be convicted and be incarcerated and so I hope that karma works along with justice in this matter.

DaveNatlanta said...

Phil's a LUCKY son of a gun, 4 more days of freedom. At this rate he mght not have to cancel his memorial day weekend plans

Barry said...

I am predicting a verdict next Wednesday. Juries often reach a verdict on the last day of the week, according to a national expert interviewed on "Not Quite True" TV. Since next Wednesday night begins Passover, I am guessing the jury will ask for Thursday and (Good Friday) off. They have lives and families to return to and may want to get on with their lives right after Easter.

Christine, I believe in a higher power. And I believe Lana is in heaven, feeling the love we all send her. And I believe that Mr. Spector will never see her again.

Anonymous said...

If PS had gotten therapy much earlier in his life, it is likely things would have turned out much better for everyone around him. The suicide of his father and the dominating nature of mother and sister turned him into a ticking timebomb. Not his fault, but with his money he could have gotten help. So instead of a mad genius, he could have been a personable, rational, professional businessman in the mold of Dick Clark or other self-made men and women of his industry.
A handful of pills is no substitute for having your head re-aligned as needed.

Sprocket said...

Court holidays:

I do not recall seeing on the calendars behind Wendy's desk, these days marked off as dark. I will check with the PIO tomorrow to verify if those are dark days or not.

From what Mick Brown wrote in his book Tearing Down the Wall of Sound it is only my opinion mind you, that Spector is under the care of some type of psychiatrist or psychotherapist.

At the time, he stated he takes medication for mental illness. At the time of the shooting, his urine found several prescription medications in his body. Those medications would have to be prescribed by a doctor who has diagnosed him. So, I think it's fair bet that he is under some sort of doctor's care.