Lonnie Franklin, Jr. "Grim Sleeper" Penalty Phase, Day 2

 Lonnie Franklin, Jr.,  verdict 5/5/16

(Barbara Davidson/Los Angeles Times via AP, Pool)

Note: Just like yesterday, this was another difficult day of victim impact testimony and a repeat of tears running down my face. It was emotionally draining listening to the four witnesses talk about the loss of their loved one. I know that DDA Beth Silverman was emotionally drained by the process too, from statements she made off the record. Sprocket

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Friday, May 13, 2016
The trial was not in session in the morning.

1:39 PM
Inside Dept. 109.  Most everyone is here. I see DDA Silverman greet witnesses in the gallery and explain the process to them. She tells them which of them she will call first.

We go on the record. DDA Rizzo tells the court there are a couple of issues regarding witnesses. They have a CD of photographs. "We gave them to counsel to view. The video we have, has music and we will mute that and make another copy with the music deleted from the CD." Amster states they don't have a problem with that.

DDA Silverman tells the court they have received a witness list that has 11 people on the list that were not on the defense original witness list. I believe Amster explains one witness is a chain of custody witness. DDA Silverman informs the court, "They included three names related to Mr. Lamagna. Mr. Spiegelman [sp?] if he's called, we will have to have a break in the trial."

Amster states he will be contacting them.

DDA Silverman continues. "John Pride is on the list and [we were] previously told they were not going to call him." Amster explains that this is a potential witness. There are two more names that DDA Silverman states that I'm not sure I get correctly, a "Petreko" and "Mr. Murdock."

Judge Kennedy rules, "The issue of Dr. Spiegelman. ... Since the issue of the use of measurements and numbers and math was brought up and fully litigated in the guilt phase your [defense] motion for reconsideration is denied."

Amster replies, "Fine. We won't pursue him. We think the denial is premature."

There is more argument on the issues of what the people have done so far about the porn video with the underage individual.

1:58 PM
The jury enters. Associated Press reporter Brian Melley leaves. Local NBC Channel 4's Patrick Healy is here.

10. SHAMIKA SMITH

Do you know someone named Janecia Peters?
She's my sister.
How old were you at the time of her death?
32. I was 7 years old when she was born.

The witness mentions her sibling, Jovanna. She's candid about how, being the oldest, she was resentful when Jovanna was born because she was no longer doted on herself.

[Shamika talks very fast and at times I had trouble following her testimony.]

She was sweet. When she was by herself, she was a girl most loving and caring. When she got with Jovanna, she was completely different.  She was the baby. I was jealous of Jovanna when she was born. Janecia's nickname was "Necia." She did not share a bedroom with Janecia.


Did you do things together?
Did things. We did everything. They called us the train. Jovanna would follow me and Janecia would follow Jovanna. It was a diverse community.

There's laughter in the courtroom. This witness, her personality is very bubbly and infectious. People in the gallery and the jury are immediately connecting with her. She runs on with her answers, speaking so fast, communicating so much about the dynamics of her close knit family.


What were some of her favorite things to do?
Eat. She was so skinny, you couldn't believe the food she could pack. Our whole family were party animals. We ate. Mom had three daughters, all born in December, near Christmas. Everything. ... It was the four of us. Me, my mom Jovanna and Janecia. We were very close. Everything we did we did together as one unit, the four of us.

So you were torn apart?
In December. I don't know how we ever did it. We always had parties. Then Christmas then more birthdays. December was a very busy month and always happy.

She [their mother] still made you feel special?
Exactly.  Janecia came after my sixth birthday. I'm still bitter, if you can tell.

More laughter from the gallery.

Around the time that Justin was born, Janecia's son, around the time he was born, she went back to college.
Janecia did?
Yes.
You helped out so that she could make herself better?
Yes. I watched the baby.
She was going to one of the community colleges. I don't know what her focus was but I think she was going to be a teacher. Her life changed the next year.
What happened?
I ended up with the baby because she went to jail.

What type of struggles did she have?
She had problems with drugs.
Did she talk to you about that?
Not, not really. No.
Did it hurt you to see her struggle this way?
It did. The toll it took on her son. He's 14 now, and he has three mothers. that's because one of his mothers is missing. He should have four mothers. ... We're doing all the things as if Janecia was still here, but he lacks the benefit of  Janecia. I have a daughter. I'm loving and strict. And I can love him and kiss him but I'm not his mother. ... He's not able to get that love and attention of love and affection of his own mother and it's not fair.

She talks more about how at his age, he shies away from public affection from his aunts and grandmothers. So she does a little blackmail on him.

I'll threaten him. [She tells him] If you don't let me kiss your face, you'll have to walk to the party.

There's laughter in the courtroom. The gallery identifies with her testimony. She talks about her own daughter, and how it's the same with her.

It doesn't matter to me. I'm auntie. I'm always going to show him the love. Justin is our baby. He has two aunts and a grandmother that helped make decisions for him.

Does he ask about his mom?
Um, he, ... we talk about her. He doesn't have to ask questions because we talk about her all the time. Things that she did. Things that we did together. She's constantly in our thoughts and minds. In [our?] presence, she's always with us.

You're making your sister, Justin's mom come alive some?
Stay alive, yes. We have pictures of her, the pictures that you're going to show. ... I sat there crying. They're looking at me like I was stupid. [I'm not sure about the context of these statements.]

How did you learn about Janecia's death?
Two detectives came to my door on January 3rd.
Were you the first one to be notified?
I believe so. ... I had to call and notify my mother.
You remember that day?
Yes.
What was your reaction?
I was stunned. They were at my door, asking if I knew Janecia. They wanted to come in. I said, no. And I asked is she okay. They asked again to come in. I said no, again. I asked if she was okay. Then they said no, that she was murdered. Then I let them in.

I sat there, holding my daughter and I was stunned.
Did you believe it?
Yes. I did believe it because the police just don't come to your door and tell you your sister is dead. ... I had to tell my mother. She wasn't home. She wasn't answering her cell phone. I got in touch with my aunt and she went to my mom's house so I could talk to my mother. And that's when I told my mother about my sister. I told her on the phone. I just howled. [Before], I hadn't shed a tear. I felt bad about it.

I just broke down. And then telling my mother I broke down and started screaming. Telling my mother hit me more than the shock of finding out that she was dead. ... In a way, it was a really good thing, because holding onto emotion can become a really serious illness. I was also feeling guilty as to why I wasn't crying [when she first heard her sister was murdered]. But I couldn't shed a tear. And then when I told my mother I was able to release that emotion to tell her what happened. It was a powerful moment.

Do you feel, when the years have gone on, do you feel it has let you release some of that anger and grief as well?
Yes. Every time I see Justin, I see Janecia.
There's a little piece of Janecia in there?
He looks just like her and he was born looking like her father who was my stepfather. Even people who didn't know, but know my stepfather, know that he looked like his grandfather. ... I see her face every morning.

Did you help plan the funeral?
I helped as much as I can.
Do you remember that day?
It was surreal. It was a beautiful day. The weather was beautiful. Our family came out and showed up. There were so many people there. People from all sides of the family, together. People who hadn't seen each other for years and years. So my parents were there together. All kinds of family, friends, and it was a great day. We celebrated Janecia. We celebrated her life.

Afterwards, we all went to a park. It was a good day. Of course, it's sad. She's no longer with us but we celebrate her life all the time. We party on her birthday and make the kids sing.

What day is her birthday?
December 15, 1981. ... We don't need special occasions to talk about her. We share our experiences with her, those can happen any time.

Going to show you some photos now. It's a collage of five photos. The witness identifies and explains the photos. Photos of Janecia with her son. They show the columbarium wall where her little niche of ashes are buried. There are more photos of Janecia. She is stunningly beautiful. A photo of her son at 3 or 4 years old. Her parents took her to the orthodontist when she was a teenager. They gave her that beautiful smile.

You miss that smile?
Yes. I do miss her.

Photo of her, Jovanna and Janecia. Shamika calls her and her siblings, "The three musketeers."

How often do you think about your sister?
Every day. ... Especially when the trial going on, we're answering questions and answering Justin's questions.
What do you miss most about your sister?
Honestly, I miss the baby looking up to the big sister. Just the vibe she carried. She was full of life. She was a happy, energetic person. She was a fun person to be around, regardless of what she would be around. She did get on my nerves, she was the baby. But everything that we did together, we miss her.

No cross examination.

She was a very engaging witness. She talked on and on about Janecia, her family and siblings.

11. JOVANNA PETERS

Who is Janecia?
That's my baby sister.
Only by 11 months?
We would be the same age for two weeks a year. ... We used to tell each other when we were young that we were best friends and that was true.
Did you share a bedroom?
[Yes.]
Tell me about the time of being so close and the days and nights?

The witness laughs.

That was my buddy. We used to play dress up and do each others hair. And one time we were pretending to cut our hair. When it was her turn, I actually cut her hair. We were just a mess. Another time, playing outside and making mud pies, and she was the only one who ate it. She wanted to taste it and I said, "Go ahead!"

The gallery laughs with the witness.

They would do dress up and steal their mother's clothes. They shared a room until they were about 18. The witness starts to speak really fast. I have difficulty keeping up with all that's spilling out with her testimony.

We turned 18 behind each other, so we hanged together. Other kids, with BFF's [best female friend] she was my BFF. She was my little sis. ... We included Shamika because she got to take us places.

It's evident from the two sisters testimony that this was a very close, engaging family.

Everybody looked out for Janecia.
What were her favorite things?
She liked to cook and she made sausage and eggs every morning. ... We had a dance group and we danced together. We had stage names. We used to practice every day. ... We would then put on a show for everybody. We had costumes. Usually every day we would dance together. It was just she and I. It was fun times.

Do you miss those times?
Yes. ... I have two kids now and she never got a chance to meet them. ... She has Justin and he was our baby. ... I cut the umbilical cord. And that's my baby. I know how it felt being an Auntie to him. She didn't get to get that with my kids so I do miss those times. ... Justin is the oldest, first grand-baby born.

She talks to her own children about Janecia.

Not only was Janecia a part of our family, she is still a part of our family. There are pictures of her and I all over my house.
Holidays, how do you cope with a big part of the family missing?
We try to do the best we can.

Jovanna tells a story about how one Christmas, Janecia picked all the crab out of the gumbo.

If I stay sad, I'd lose a part of me. When I lost her, she was all that I knew my whole life. So it is sad, like I said. I just try to think about the good times. I love her still.
And that's what keeps you going?
Yes.
Do you remember the day, ... you remember when she was murdered?
Yes.
Who told you?
I believe the detective told me. ... I cried for about an hour straight. And then I talked to my mom. I think I blacked out. ... I had just talked to her on my birthday. We were supposed to hook up, and I was wondering where was my sister. And then I found out that she had died the next day. I never got to see her on my birthday.

Was it hard having to let your mother know?
Yes it was but my mom was my backbone. It was hard for me. She's been the one to keep me strong.
Would you say your mom is the rock of the family, and still is, keeping the family together in spite of all this?
Yes.

Do you go visit her grave site?
I don't visit her grave site. It's pretty emotional when I go there. ... Because we celebrate [her all the time.] She's a constant reminder in our house. My husband knows who she is. ... I don't need to pick one day to go to her grave site. She's with me every day. ... She's in my heart every day.

In everything that I do in life, in my goals, everything I strive for I could just hear her, "You could do it." That would be her. I can hear her say, "Just do it."

So even though she's not here, she's with you?
Yes.

She talks about how Janecia would translate her words for everyone, when she would start talking real fast.

So she is here, telling you to slow down?
[Laughter] Yes.

More photos are introduced and Jovanna identifies everyone in the photos.

What is it that you miss the most about your sister?
I miss being able to call her and just chit-chat on the phone. Just to call. I miss that part of the relationship. I miss being able to hang out with her. I used to see that smile. That smile was so wicked. My parents chose to give her braces and not me. That smile was so wicked.

No cross examination.

12. LAVERNE PETERS

Do you know someone named Janecia Peters?
Janecia Peters was my daughter, my baby girl.
And you had two other daughters here as well?
Yes. There is the story of me having "Necia."

In December 1980, I left work and had a baby girl. That was Jovanna. They gave us six weeks maternity leave and I went back to work, pregnant. So one of my friends said, I could take you to the clinic. But when I went back to work, [one of her coworkers] she had been paying tens of thousands of dollars to have a baby. [She said to me] "What do you mean, what are you going to do? You just have her." And she gave me all these maternity clothes so that was the beginning of Necia.

She was a sweetheart baby. Everyone knew that Jovanna says, "Not quite," but she was a sweetheart baby. We did call her Nicia. I had nicknames for Jovanna. Jovanna was Princess goo-goo. I had other names. One was brat one and one was brat two. I won't say which was which. And that was during the tough times.

She provided a warm and loving household for her children.

There was ten of us when I was growing up. I knew I would always have children, and that there were certain things that I wanted to do with them. And there were certain things that I wanted to do [as a family?].  ... Even as a baby, she was a free spirit. Had she been born back in the 60's, she would have been a hippie. She had this free spirit and this trust and love of people. And that's why I called her my sweet baby. And look at her, with those pretty brown eyes. She was very lovable.

She was very adventurous. She would get in the Vaseline and pour it all over her body. Back when we had labels on all the cans, she would take all the labels off all the canned goods. And you'd open something for dinner and you would just have to guess. ... She was a very trusting free spirit.

Their father died in 1999.

She was a trusting. She was not a big worrier about things.
Do you think she was too trusting some times?
I think she was. She was just a trusting person. ... And I would tell her, this was not the world that you can trust everybody. But she was. She was very trusting.
So she would come to you for advice?
My girls, I've always been open with them. We talked about everything.

One of the reasons she got the braces and Jovanna didn't, she had teeth that were going every which way and she was always smiling. Her father and I made the choice. We paid for her to wear braces, to fix her teeth.

She was very trusting?
Very trusting.
But she ended up with a beautiful smile. For years, her braces stayed on for three years. Even before she got that beautiful smile, she was that happy, free spirit kid.

Laverne tells the jury that she had a special bond with Janecia. She explains the special bond that Shamika had with her father. The younger girls had a different father. Jovanna was her father's first and favorite, but Janecia was really 'her' baby girl.

Laverne is asked about when police found Janecia's body.

I knew she [Shamika] was telling the truth. I knew that wasn't something we play with. I didn't know what else to do. I have a hard time even thinking about it when I found out. What do you do? It stuns you. How do you make it through that time? I had to learn in some kind of way. You have to just pick up and put one foot in front of the other and just keep going.

I couldn't just lay down and have it be over. She [Janecia] had a son. I had to get up. I couldn't wallow in my pain like I wanted to. But I just couldn't because I had Justin. I had to make sure that if I cry and broke down, [he didn't see it otherwise] then he would do the same things. He would watch me and see how I reacted. So I waited until he went to bed and would cry on my own.

He really knew her. He knows his grandmother too. We were not strangers to each other. I just decided I was going to show him Janecia was no longer here but we have to stay strong. But we have to do what we do. ... We give him love. We give him a lot of love. But he was the blessing. When [she found out she was pregnant], she said, "What should I do?" We said [to her], "Just have the baby." And we helped her ever since.

I tried to keep all the siblings together. We couldn't just let her murderer take us all out. Even now, there's no greater loss. You can't even explain when you lose your child. And then hear about someone on the news lose their child. It brings it all back.

She was such a free spirit. [Justin] He's a boy. That's different. He has a lot of her ways. She would design her own clothes. [She explains about designing a shirt by ripping it on the ends to create fringe. He kind of looked on YouTube [found a design he liked?] and put holes in his jeans and this is his mother in him. And I asked him why you did that and he said, "I liked that." He's a lot like her and he looks like her and looks at you with those adorable brown eyes.

We are really a family and it's not easy all the time, making our way though. But so far, we're doing it. I know if I fall down I don't want to take Justin with me.

Laverne talks so eloquently about her daughter and family and her grandson. Now photos of Janecia as a baby. Then photos of her in fourth grade and beyond.

That was the last time she let me do her hair and the last time she let me buy her outfits. ... This is Necia, in high school.

Another photo, family barbecue.

Necia and her cousin, she loved to eat. Necia and cousin's baby shower. Another photo. That's us. Me, Necia and Jovanna. We love each other. We still do.

[I am so touched by this family of strong women and the love between them. There are now high school graduation photos. Janecia looks stunning. Absolutely beautiful.]

Now photo of her obituary and a photo of her funeral program.

At some point, the video montage of Janecia is played for the jury.

Do you remember the last date you saw her?
I remember the last date I talked to her. I talked to her on December 31, 2006.
If you knew that would be the last time you were going to speak to her, [what would you say]?
I'd say Janecia, I would come pick her up. I would just tell her that her son loves her, her sisters love her. We love you Janecia.

No cross examination. It's about 3:15 pm. The court takes a 15 minute break at this time.

3:36 PM
The court goes back on the record.

The witness is on crutches. The court asks if she can make it up the steps to the witness stand. She nods that she can.

13. ANITA LIMBRICK

DDA Silverman presents the witness.

What is your relationship to Alicia Monique Alexander?
Sister. She's my baby sister. ... I'm 8 years older than she is.

What was it like growing up with Alicia?
She was the baby of the family. She was spoiled. Very spoiled. I potty trained her. I taught her to walk by the time she was 8 months old. She was our little sister. We loved her and did everything for her.
Did you two have a close relationship?
We did have a close relationship early in life. I was 8 years older. Whenever I would go somewhere, she would have to go with you.
Was that because she wanted to or because your parents made you take her?
It was a little bit of both. ... I was 8 years older. I didn't want to take her most of the time. Especially later when I became a teenager with my friends. I didn't want my sister tagging along. I didn't want to have her listen to our conversations.



But a lot of times she went anyway?
Yes. ... When she was younger, it didn't matter. I considered her my baby when she was little.
Did you have aspirations and hopes that as adults, you would share together?
Most definitely. ... I had hoped she would grow up and we would have an adult relationship. If she got married and have kids, I would be at her wedding, be a bridesmaid, participating in the wedding. I wanted to be able to go out with her and share experiences. I wanted to see her have children, the way I spoiled the rest of my siblings kids.


Are there certain things that in your life, that you had hoped she had been there over the years?
Yes. Graduations of course. I wanted her to be there for my wedding, to see my family. I adopted two kids. She wasn't there. I missed her.
How old are those children now?
19 and 21. ... I adopted them late.
When they were not babies?
No. But I was older.

And she missed out on that?
Yes.
So they never met, who would be their aunt?
They know of her. They've seen pictures, they've just never had the experience.

When did you hear when your baby sister had been murdered?
I learned from my family. I got a phone call. ... I showed up at the house. There was a lot of family there. But that's how I found out. The detective came to the house and told my family.
How did you feel when you heard the news? Were you shocked? Caught off guard?
I was shocked. I was in disbelief. I was horrified. I was sad and I was angry.
How did you deal with those emotions over the years, so you can go on?
It lessened over the years. I'm not as angry. Still sad on birthdays, holidays when all the family gets together. Still horrified though.
Did any of that, what happened to your sister impact what you chose todo with your life?
It didn't. I was a deputy. I was already in the academy and I found out the second or third week I was in the academy. And they wanted to have me recycle, which means get out and come at a later time so I could grieve with my family. But I thought the best thing for myself was to go through the academy.

How did you do that, put everything in ... the process?
Well, I just thought that my sister would like to see me continue on with my life and she would have liked to see me graduate. ... She didn't get to see me graduate from the academy. The other graduations she was able to go to.
When?
High school, elementary, UC Berkley.
What was it like to come to the end of this training program and have your family go to that and your sister was not there?
It was sad. I had a lot of emotions. I was happy to graduate but I was also sad that my sister wasn't there and would never be there for me at any other happy or sad time. I could never get that back.

DDA Silverman tells the witness she's going to show her some photographs. This witness is very solemn, reserved. She appears to keep to herself and keep her emotions in check. She identifies the people in the photos. It's her, her sister and her mom when they were very young. It was when Anita had graduated from sixth grade. Alicia was 4.

You were not here the other day. We heard testimony from your mom and dad. From your vantage point, how has Alicia's murder impacted your family?
It left a big hole in the family. We miss her very much. At one point I thought the family would fall apart, especially my parents. They had a very rough time and it was hard.

What do you mean you parents fall apart?
They were falling apart individually and I thought their relationship would fall apart. My mom stayed in a room and cried. My father, he was by himself a lot. He was just a shell of a person.
Were you aware of the bond your sister and father shared?
Oh yes. She was a daddy's girl. She went everywhere with him. If you saw him you saw her.

I was 25 when she died. She had just turned 18 so I was 25.
You were just beginning your career. How did that affect you [seeing what was happening with family relationships]?
I just wanted to be there in any way I could be for my family. I just wanted to be strong for them.
Did you think it was your responsibility to hold your parents together?
Yes.
Did you feel guilty?
No, I didn't feel guilty.
Did you feel like you hadn't done something with your sister, to sort of protect her?
Oh yes. I wish I had been there that day so she never would have left.
How about your brothers? ... Did your sister's death impact the relationship that you had with your brothers?
No. We've always been close and we're still close.

It's hard to talk about. The regular occurrences would be her birthday and holiday times when we would talk about her. Because it's a ritual to go visit her at the mausoleum, I don't go as regularly as the rest of the family.

Even though you have a busy career, you've been in a lot of the court appearances over the trial. Why is that so important to you?
Because it was my baby sister. I loved her, still love her and I want to be here with the rest of my family. We want to see the trial through.
Why is that important to you?
It's important to me because I want to see the person that would do something so horrific to be brought to justice.

People talk about this term "closure." Does it give you some sense, does it give you some sense of relief after all these [years] that a jury was selected, the trial was held and the truth was brought out? Does that?
It gives me some relief, yes. And more relief that my parents were able to be here and see it.
That they lived long enough to be able to see this day?
Yes. ... My parents were worried that they would not live long enough to see it so I'm very happy that they are here.
The crimes against your sister, did that result in a lot of health issues with your parents?
Yes. Trying to hold things in.
Is that the kind of people your parents are, very stoic?
Yes.
And that's how you are? It's difficult to express emotion?
Yes.
You like to be more centered, in control?
In control, yes.

How was it when you had to go bury your little sister?
I don't think we were all controlled that very much that day, but we tried.
Who was the one who had to pick out what she was to wear?
I think my mom did.
Did you ever get to see her?
No.
Was it because of the condition of her body?
Yes.
So closed casket?
Yes.

Did that in your mind ... you probably, over the years, ... certain things in your head, and you come to court and sat through photographs ... And were told to put your head down or leave. What was that like, for a sister, as a human being?
It's hard. It's hard to believe that anyone would do anything like that but I had to see for myself. I never got to see her at the funeral or identify her body at the time so, I needed to see it. ... For closure, for myself.

Did it provide a sense of closure for you?
A little bit.
Do you think there ever is going to be, come a day, as a person, Anita Limbrick, to be a joyful person, or is that always tinged with what happened to your sister?
There are times that I have joy, but not always. When I think about the situation there's no joy in that. Having someone take a family member from you and that was my baby sister. I was very unhappy with that and very sad that someone would choose to do something like that.
What is it that you remember  ... or remember her at a certain age, what do you think of?
I think of good times. I try to think of the good times. Her big beautiful smile. I try to think of her singing. And Anita Baker was one of my favorite singers.

When she recorded over one of my cassette tapes, she was singing Anita Baker, A cappella. At the time I was very upset but now I'm happy I have it. I yelled at her at the time. She was very good. The rest of us can't sing a bit but she could sing. So that is something that I treasure.

Was your sister the kind of person who was easy to meet other people? Was she one of those type of people, that just connects?
She didn't meet any strangers. Once she met you, you instantly became her friend. She brought a lot of people home like that. We'd ask, who was this? And she'd say, Oh, this is my friend. I just met him.

Did you think your sister was someone who would focus too much on the positive aspects of someone but might be a warning to someone else?
Yes. She was very trusting.
She always saw the good in people?
Yes. Me and my brothers were always looking out for her.

I knew that she had gone missing for a couple of days before detectives came to the house.
What was running through your head?
I definitely thought she would come home. I thought she was with friends.
You didn't think anything could have been tragically wrong?
Not at first. Then after several days ... because she wouldn't have stayed away that long.

What is it that you miss the most?
Her smile and her singing. Just that energy when she was singing. She was very happy when she was singing.
Were you able to separate that in your head as to how she was and how she died?
Yes.
Is that something that you have to work at every day?
Yes.

No cross examination.

The court addresses some issues. Juror #12 has a doctor appointment next Thursday afternoon and needs to leave by 3:15 pm. The court admonishes the jury. She tells them, "Remember when I first was picking the jury, [I told you] that you were the most important ingredient in this process." Juror #2 asks if there is a timeline as to how much longer the trial will be.  The court answers, "It's unclear how exactly. When I ask the attorneys, they thought their, the people's case would be four weeks and the defense one week. It may be shorter than that. ... I cross my fingers. I don't anticipate any more delays like we had during the guilt phase. And I know there are vacations and obligations that you have." Addressing the trial going longer than expected. "Hopefully, it will be shorter than what I just told you. And deliberations will be unpredictable. Does that hopefully give you some guidance?

Juror #2. Yes. Thank you.

The jury leaves. The court asks the people to identify the witnesses they will be calling on Monday.  It's detectives and fingerprint examiners. Monday afternoon for the fingerprint experts. The people tell the court that with their current scheduling, they think they will be finished with their case by the week of the 23rd of May. "We don't think it will take us a month," DDA Silverman concludes.

And that's it. 9:00 AM on Monday.