8:38 am: I think Mr. Sprocket broke too many speed limits getting me to the Red Line station in time. I try to get down the escalator as quickly as possible but my left knee isn’t cooperating. Usually, the car right beside the down escalator gets overloaded with people who are last minute, trying to make the train. I’m lucky that I get in the next car farther away that has a few empty seats left.
Did y’all see the notice about the new Dateline show with DDA Alan Jackson on the three-person panel? I heard about it on the 11 pm news but I was too tired to fire up the laptop and put an entry up last night.
Typing on the train is almost as hard as inside the courtroom. I’m sure it would help if I could master using the built in mouse pad but I’ve failed miserably each time I’ve tried it. I have rigged up something that is not ideal but close to a standard mouse. I have the edge of a spiral notebook tucked in-between my lap and the iBook. On that, I’ve set a trackball mouse. I’m doing so-so learning the trackball. I practice with it by playing my current favorite online game “Big Money.” (I’m not a very good player; my highest score has only been around 5,700.) The track ball is much easier than a standard mouse that I was trying to use before. With a standard mouse I would place it on the wood bench beside me with a piece of paper underneath. This is an improvement over that.
8:53 am: Next stop Vermont/Santa Monica. As far as stops go, we are halfway there!
9:23 am: I'm here inside 106 finally. Linda from San Diego tells me she saw the jurors go in the jury room at 9:16 am. Pat Kelly from the PIO department is her beside me, keeping me honest.
9:28 am: BUZZ! The jury has resumed deliberations.
The "robbery gone bad" case that has three defendants is setting up. A reporter from City News is here and a few interns. A reporter from NBC is here. I've seen him before but today I ask him if I can report his name. It's Gary.
9:32 am: The family for one of the defendants is here and ther are several young ladies from a journalism class have come in to listen to the proceedings.
9:34 am: Answering a comment. Everything that I know about the Dateline show is in the preceding entry. It's this coming Friday, on NBC at 10 pm. It features Alan Jackson as one of a three-person panel covering unsolved cold cases.
9:38 am: They are getting the defendants I believe (for the robbery gone bad) case.
9:43: am: Waiting for the current hearing to get underway.
9:45 am: Fidler takes the bench and they are going to resolve the issue of two separate trials and other issues.
Answering a comment. Mr. Sprocket appreciated all the accolades. I don't know how the jurors were dressed. I don't think that is significant since not all jurors are necessarily willing to meet the press.
9:47 am: The AP reporter enters 106.
Answering a comment. My commute is about 45-50 minutes total. I do not receive any compensation. I have an entry talking about "why" I'm covering this trial gavel to gavel.
There is another reporter from possibly another network who is sitting in the back row against the wall next to the inner doors. He doesn't look familiar to me.
9:53 am: Answering a comment. Spector is not here, waiting at the courthouse. I have no idea what he's doing or what he's snacking on. Maybe he's at home page loading the blog like y'all are. It's my best guess that he waiting at home just like the Clarkson family.
(Note: Please see the correction on the pending case listed at 2:23 pm. Some of my entries on the case in the morning hours are incorrect. Sprocket.)
Pending case: I think there might be more than one victim, but I'm NOT positive on that. I believe one of them is William Whiteside (sp?) but that's just a guess. At least the female defendant was living with someone by this name.
10:02 am: In the pending case, one (or more) of the defense attorney's is trying to get some statement's excluded (that I believe one or more of the defendant's said). It's something about a device used to beat someone (to death?) that is called a "nigger beater." Since the word nigger is such a volatile word, they don't want it included.
Pending case. Ronald Kutch (Cutch?), Mr. Kennedy. These might be the names of the defendants. That is NOT confirmed. Valerie Martin is one of the defendants. William Whiteside is the victim and he was burned alive. How horrible.
10:10 am: Sherri is here. Katie and Lisa arrived about 15 minutes ago. Listening to this pending case...the more I hear, it's horrible. One of the prosecutors is a pretty blond, Ms. Green (sp?).
Pending case. Mr. Lethowitz (sp?) is one of the defendants. A Mr. Daly (Daily?) is one of the attorneys.
The prosecutor in the pending case feels it may take 3 to 4 weeks. They are shooting for April 22nd to start the trial. Possibly even starting their voir dire April 14th. If that's the case, I may be in the hallway if we don't have a verdict by that time.
10:23 am: Just a special shout-out to my readers from Germany. Thank you so much for reading T&T! What time is it there?
Pending case. There still may be two different juries, two cases. They will be meeting back on this case next Monday. They are setting the calendar 0 of 30. Kennedy is severed and those jurors will be sworn in later, in May than the first set for Martin and the other defendant.
I'm going to try to get some more information on this pending case.
10:31 am: Thank you JayDee. Here is a link to a bit about the story.
The prosecutor is Maureen Green. I don't think she has a co-counsel. Just got the case number MA026254. It happened in Antelope Valley. And that's it. The hearing is over. The courtroom is pretty empty again.
10:43 am: BUZZ! The jury is taking their morning break.
10:56 am: BUZZ! The jury is back on the clock.
I've added up the time from yesterday. I'm trying to get a total on deliberating hours so far for everyone. Give me a minute or two.
10:58 am: Total hours deliberated yesterday: 5 hours and 7 minutes. As of this morning, that gives us a total of 18 hours and 26 minutes.
Up until the FIRST BREAK today, they have deliberated 19 Hours and 41 Minutes.
Dateline finally has a write up about the new series online.
11:22 am: Answering a comment about the DNA. Yes, it's true that Lana Clarkson's DNA was found on Spector's scrotum. There were also (I believe) two foreign male DNA markers found on his scrotum. The DNA marker from Lana Clarkson was a weak marker. Steve Renteria stated it was 1 in 96,000. That right away tells you the marker was weak. What it means is that you would have to test 96,000 people before you would find another person with that set of markers. When you have a full solid set of strong markers, the percentages are like, 1 of a trillion or some other such astronomical number. The source of the DNA is not known. There is not enough there to determine if it was from saliva, or blood, or sweat or simple touch DNA.
Here is my OPINION on this DNA. It could have been that Spector touched Lana, and then touched himself when he went to the restroom. To me, that would explain the weak marker.
Please keep in mind that the two Y markers....that's all there was. There were not complete DNA profiles of two males. Only their Y markers. That's a very weak profile. Insignificant, really.
11:57 am: Harriet asks Wendy about Friday.
11:59 am: We are being kicked out.
12:33 pm: I've just finished lunch. Being "kicked out" means the bailiff tells us we have to vacate the courtroom. I'm sorry. No more scrotum comments. I won't publish any more. All of it is speculation. We don't know how the DNA got there and we will probably never know.
Answering a comment. Beth Karas was just here for the Howard K. Stern arraignment. She was hoping that she could stop by to say hello but it didn't work out.
Answering a comment. It was never brought out in testimony who the lipstick belonged to found on Lana Clarkson's body. The most logical assumption is that it was hers.
Answering a comment. I did not see the jurors this morning. Personally, I don't think how they dressed is important. Not everyone who is on a jury will speak to the press.
Answering a comment. To find out why we were kicked out, read up. I answered that already.
Answering a comment. As far as I know, there will be no live feed. Not a single news organization has the resources to keep a cameraman inside the courtroom, waiting. We have some members of the accredited press, but they are often not here all day. Sometimes they just pop in for a hour or two.
Answering a comment. Most of my trial watching companions want a verdict, like yesterday. I think everyone should just be patient. They will come back when they come back.
Answering a comment. I will expect that a video camera will be rounded up pretty quickly from one of the news organizations to cover the proceedings if/when a verdict is reached. I do NOT believe it will be live streamed. That would require a satellite truck.
Answering a comment. Fidler has not placed any restrictions on the jurors as to how long they can deliberate. They will get this done when they get it done. Please be patient everyone. Okay. I'm heading back upstairs. Once I get inside the courtroom, I'll check in again.
1:40 pm: I'm back inside 106 but we have not been provided the times yet. There is a new PIO in the room but she is one that I don't know personally.
1:42 pm: Wendy takes to her desk. I can see from where I'm sitting that the door to Fidler's chambers is closed. Sometimes it's been open.
1:45 pm: Truc Do just entered 106 carrying a laptop. She went back into the area behind Wendy's desk, where I believe the court reporter's have their desks. For those of you who might have missed it, Fidler has commented a few times during the trial that Ms. Do is the DA's "computer expert/wizard." So, MY GUESS is, she came down to help someone with a computer issue.
1:49 pm: The AP reporter enters 106 and takes her favorite seat.
Answering a comment. I've already mentioned several times that the defendant is not required to wait at the courthouse for a verdict. I'm sure he's home, waiting. Spector, Rachelle, Donte and the bodyguard only came to court yesterday to hear the readback.
1:59 pm: We just now hear the times. They stopped at 12:18 pm and resumed at 1:25 pm.
I just dropped my laptop and now have a big mark on my screen. Crap. Wonder how much THAT will cost to fix.
2:05 pm: I now have the jury clock up unto 1:25 pm as: 21 Hours and 3 Minutes.
Answering a comment: It might be helpful to understand the definition of "Implied Malice" in the California Penal Code. The fact that Spector pulled a gun and pointed it at someone, that's implied malice and that's murder 2.
Answering a comment: My laptop is an iBook. Model A1181
2:23 pm: I'm informed that I had several issues incorrect concerning the pending case this morning. (In my defense, I only heard snatches of the hearing. I reported a defense attorney's last name was one of the defendants! E-gads!) Kennedy and Martin will be tried together but they will have separate juries. Kupsch's case was severed today from the others. I apologize for any erroneous reporting on that case. I had thought that I would perform some research on this case later, maybe when I got home but this clears all that up.
2:32 pm: BUZZ! The juror's are on a break.
Anyone have the time to search eBay for me for a new screen?
There is definitely a scratch. There is some matter, some blue streak stuff, looks like ink but it's not too bad. The other bad news had to do with our washing machine. Mr. Sprocket took it apart today and told me it's not worth fixing so we will be shopping later tonight.
2:42 pm: BUZZ! The jurors are back on the job! This puts the jury clock at 22 Hours and 10 Minutes.
I purchased the iBook about 2 years ago. I believe it's a G4, but I'm not positive. It was the "mid-line" model of the three offered that year.
Thank you so much for suggestions on a washing machine. You have to understand that any electronic purchase has to pass Mr. Sprocket's rigorous standards. You have no idea what I go through when it comes to buying even the smallest mechanical device. He has to have input on EVERYTHING lol!
2:57 pm: Sandi Gibbons from the District Attorney's Office stopped by. She and the AP reporter are longtime friends and are chatting.
Thank you everybody for taking the time to search eBay for me. It's much appreciated. I've got lots to work on tonight what with shopping for a new washing machine. Please understand that I am NOT ASKING for anyone to buy me a new screen or a washing machine. It's just something to talk about while we are here waiting.
I will be on DENNY GRIFFIN'S BLOGTALK RADIO show tonight at 6 pm PT; 9 pm ET. Here is the link where you can listen to the show. Juror #9 from the first trial, Ricardo, will also be on the show with me.
Answering a comment. I just passed on the message to the AP reporter. She said the compliment made her day.
We are all so bored we are helping the AP reporter try to answer the LA Times crossword.
3:14 pm: We get a new PIO person. It's the pretty Vania. She is so nice.
Answering a comment. I got up from my seat and took the laptop over to Ms. Deutsch to show her the positive comment. She thanks you so much. She did say that she did receive something but since it came through New York there was no way to respond to it.
3:35 pm: We're still working on the crossword.
3:41 pm: Answering a comment about how the jurors are leaning. I have no idea. There could be some that are undecided.
3:48 pm: Sherri, Katie and Lisa all took off already. Linda from San Diego just left. It's now just me, three reporters and Vania, the PIO.
3:51 pm: BUZZ! That's it. I have for the time: 23 Hours 19 Minutes.
That's it for today. Starts again at 9:30 am, Tomorrow morning.
Wednesday, April 8, 2009
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When you get a chance, can you give us the who/what/when/where of the Dateline episode with AJ! I would love to see it! Thanks!!!
Good Morning Sprocket sorry about your knee.
Many thanks - as always - waiting impatiently for your next post.
If you haven't seen it there is a post from HR in the LAtimes with a quote from Mr Weinberg included.
Good morning to you Sprocket. Hope your knee soon feels much better and doesn't give you too much discomfort today. Looking forward to reading your updates.
Sprocket, Thanks for letting us know about Dateline with AJ, just set my DVR! I have a great deal of respect for him, and I can't wait to see him!
A quick jaunt off topic...
Thank you to everyone who inquired about the case on which I worked. As a high school teacher, I led a team of students who worked to get the Mississippi Burning murder case reopened. It eventually was; the oldest cold case ever reopened and resolved in American history! Click on my name for more info.
Back to the matter at hand..
Sprocket, what is the overall significance to the missing fingernail? According to each side, it tells us what?
Thanks! Did Mr. Sprocket appreciate all his kudos yesterday?
And thanks for the heads up about Dateline!
Barry
Sprocket, I know this has nothing to do with the Spector case but I would like to know what is wrong with Mr. Dunne. I do hope he feels better.
Ahhh - I should have said "an article" from Harriet Ryan - not a "post" - too much internet speak in my world!
Have you had a report from Linda as to how the jury are dressed today?
Sprocket, I just started reading your blog. How long is your commute to the courthouse? Do you get any sort of compensation for the great reporting you do?
Where is Phil? Is he there or at the wig shop. If you talk to him, smell his breath. I bet it smells like Fritos
Morning Sunshine!
Just wanted to let you know that we're here along with you hanging on every word! I have a really good feeling that today might be THE DAY! PLEASE PLEASE let this be THE DAY!
I'm really sorry your knee is giving fits again today. Take it easy, and please don't be shy about asking for help if you need it. It's not worth the risk of injuring it further, Sprocket. I'm serious. Take Care of yourself first.
Alright, I can't believe I'm saying this, but my hands are shaking. I think I have anxiety about the verdict coming in today! LOL! I think it's going to happen!
Talk to you in a bit.
Hugs,
Kitty M.
Barry- During PS1 it was beleived that the missing thumb nail may have shown bullet swipe. Very damning evidence against suicide.
Although I published the above comment, I need to add facts.
The "bullet swipe" or "wipe" statement came from Stan White, a defense investigator, in a hearing outside the presence of the jury. It was NOT EVIDENCE that was presented TO that jury.
If I'm recalling correctly, I don't believe Fidler ruled that Stan White's testimony was credible. Not positive, but that is from memory.
It was NEVER determined in the special hearing WHAT IT WAS that Dr. Lee collected. So, it was never proven that Dr. Lee did find the broken piece of fingernail.
Sprocket... You are my Hero. Love the updates
Good Morning,
Its great news about AJ, I will be sure to tune in.
I echo the thoughts about your knee, really baby it so you don't end up injuring it more. See if you can get one of those cold packs to put on your knee. Elevate when you can.
Here's hoping there is resolution today.
Tess
Thanks so much Sprocket - I've been following this case since the first trial, can't believe no one is covering this one for us, aside from you! Great work.
Please let this be the day there is justice for Lana. Thank you for all your hard work Sprocket. Any thoughts on what his reaction will be when he is found guilty?
Thank you for your info. Would it be possible to put your most recent entry up at the top, so for the legions of folks checking frequently, the latest info would be right there, without scrolling down? Kind of posting in reverse. What do you think?
I agree. Spector is a snacker. A year ago I sat at a table next to him and he ate like a beaver.
Good Morning, thank you for your info. My students are at home and waiting for the verdict and reading your blog.
Greetings from Germany
What do you mean he ate like a beaver? Was this at the courthouse?
What was he eating?
Ok, so I am desperate for any information about the strangeness that is Phil......
Forgive me.
Here's some details on the other case....
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-110591822.html
Great thank you. Its now 7.29 pm. The information they get of your blog ist super. We have a different law system in Germany. Greetings
..and some more on the Whiteside case.....
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BRUTAL+SLAYING+STUNS+FRIENDS+FOUR+ARRESTED%3B+MOTIVE+STILL...-a099176083
Whats up with this jury....will they just convict him already...If they find him not guilty...they slept during the trial.
I just got home from grocery shopping. My hubby asked if I would like to stop at my favorite thrift shop and I said no I want to get home to see if the jury is in on Phil's case. My husband said I hope they put him away soon so things will get back to normal here. LOL Thank you for your coverage Sprocket. PLEASE take care of that knee before it gets worse. You have a long trip everyday. I could not do it as I would be lost and end up in Mexico. Hugs from Ga. Betty
How much time will be given for all parties to get to court once a verdict has been reached. Will we have a heads up?
Hi Sprocket, Has anyone calculated the total number of hours that this jury has deliberated so far? TIA!
Sprocket,
I know a lot of people think the foreperson in the first trial was on the take from PS (myself included). Do you think the LA court system can keep an eye out for large or numerous deposits in to any bank accounts he might hold? I know banks are to report deposits made in excess of $5,000 to the feds.
Thanks again for being there today Sprocket!
While I think you should be employed by one of the MSM giants, and deserve to be paid a ton, I'm grateful that you are freelance, and not obliged to curtail your opinions, and liberty or ability to be favorable to the TRUTH.
Along with all your faithful, gentle readers, who ache for a verdict, I refresh frequently, hoping for the buzzes that will crush the poisonous insect under the heel of Lady Justice.
Can't wait to see Mr. Jackson on Dateline!
michele
I just googled the other case. It involves a 61 year old hospital maintenance man who was beaten and burned alive in the trunk of his car. GEEZ!!! It happened in 2003. I wonder why it took so long to go to trial, the defendants were arrested back then.
Ray
Good news on the length of deliberations in celebrity trials:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8149100/
19 hours and 41 minutes??
That's about 19 hours and 40 minutes longer than I think it should have taken for them to say GUILTY.
I have a hunch that they are trying to determine whether it was murder two or manslaughter.
Hello Sprocket,
Just popping in to say hi! I've been reading your entries daily. You do a greatjob.
I always use a track ball, once you are used to it the old style mouse will never do. I can't get past 4000something on big money so don't feel bad. LOL
Has Mr. Sprocket checked bubbles yet.....or was that you?
Have a great day today! I put tomorrow for a verdict on your poll....I wouldn't mind being wrong as long as they reach a VERDICT! NO MORE HUNG JURIES FOR SPECTOR!!!!
Hi Sprocket. I was reading older posts (closing arguements) where Spector's attorney said that Spector's DNA was on her breast and her DNA was on his scrotum. (?) Can you clarify on what exactly was found?
Thanks! You're the greatest!
I'm new to your blog and can't thank you enough for your reporting. I'm so jealous! I wish I could have been in that courtroom all these months.
I am all but certain of a conviction (after OJ is anything certain in CA trials?) and am pleased that 2nd degree is an option this time. I watched most of the first trial's TV coverage and figured the jurors were hung because of only having 1st degree to consider. I'm not legally trained, but I was having trouble with a 1st degree conviction myself based on my limited research.
Waiting...and watching...until we have a verdict!
My husband's first words (who by the way isn' really interested in the case!)when he woke up this morning (we're in the UK by the way) were 'any news on the verdict' lol. Keep it up Sprocket - we're with you all the way!
Congratulations to Mr. Sprocket!
Ok folks, this is Wednesday! Most of us voted:
That Today Would Be The Day
They Take The Insect Away.............. and cover him in brilliant orange
Barry, if you're reading this,, is Killen still alive? I remember something about getting him out of jail for health reasons
Sprocket we adore you and Lana does also as she watches from above
Note to dropdeadlegs.
If you followed the first trial so fervently, I am surprised you think he was charged with first degree murder. He was charged with second degree.
Ray
Do I have to remind everybody (again) to please be polite to each other?
Spector was never charged with 1st degree. First trial and retrial he was charged with 2nd Degree in California. Second trial, involuntary manslaughter was added by the court. It was not specifically requested by the prosecution and they did NOT argue that charge in their closing.
Spector's scrotum! Now that is gross Yuk. Also what about those Fritos comments
Sprocket, Thanks for clearing up the DNA issue regarding PS scrotum. Was it the same for the DNA found on her breast?
Also, yesterday during the read-back they mentioned finding lipstick under her left breast. Was it a smear or actual lipstick in a case?
Thank you so....much for answering these questions for me. You truly are the greatest!
V/R,
Ailani from Honolulu, HI
What in the world is going on with these comments. Scrotum, Fritos and lets not forget the Soap on the Rope. Boy does he have alot to look forward too
Sorry folks but here in Texas I just got back from lunch. One should not have to read "Spector's scrotum" in close proximity to just having eaten lunch.
hope i never hear spector and scrotum in the same sentence again
Thanks, Sprocket for your huge time investment on this case. I have another take on Lana's DNA being on Spector's scrotum. We must remember that Spector obviously had Lana's blood on his hands...that's how blood got onto the door handle and the bannister railing. I don't recall if the scrotum swabs were actually chemically tested for blood, but that could be a reasonable explanation for her DNA being present. He had somewhat bloody hands and transferred a small amount to himself while going to the bathroom.
this is my take on the scrotum ...ugghh.....
she went to leave, the door was locked,
she sat down in the chair,
he had his gun and one hand threatening her and that's not all he was waving around
Yuck. Spector's scrotum. That makes me dry heave.
Please folks, the comment from Texas rings true as I never choked on my Turkey sandwich reading about Spector's pee pee. Good work Sprocket.
DNA comment.....
Darn right, Sprocket. That is a great assessment of what occurred. I do NOT believe for one second that Lana EVER touched Mr. Spector anywhere; let alone in his private areas. And the same applies as it pertains to Lana touching Spector. It's upsetting to see Lana portrayed this way by the defense team. As a father of two daughters, one grown and one in high school, I feel so bad for Lana's family having to hear this crap. And that is exactly what it is...crap
Hi Sprocket
Thank you so much!!!
As for Lana's DNA under Harvey's scrotum, I need to inform the ladies that, when a male (based on my personal experience only...) goes to urinate, he has to lower his underwear to get his "equipment" out. And the best way to make sure the underwear doesn't "pop-up" back into position (and cause some damage) is to use some of your fingers (mine, again) to keep the underwear elastic under the scrotum so everything is steady (the other 2 fingers participating more actively to the activity).
If Harvey had any trace of blood when he went to the bathroom (and he surely went with all the drinking he had that night), I believe this is how the transfer was done.
Sorry for being so direct...
Nanouk
So the "implication" that there was some sort of sexual encounter between the 2 is nonsense, right? I'm surprised that the defense tried to use it to show "sexual activity" if the DNA were just insignificant traces.
Hi
Edgar Ray Killen is still alive - and in jail.
After his arrest, he had been released from jail, citing hill health and old age. However, Jerry Mitchell, the brilliant reporter, quickly showed that was a lie. Killen will spend the rest of his miserable life behind bars. It was eerie to interview him.
Sprocket, thanks for explaining the "bullet swipe" comment about Lana's fingernail. Can you explain further, though, on how each side thinks the information regarding the fingernail helps explain their case? That would appear to be something that was on the jury's mind.
Thanks,
Barry
Thanks Sprocket for all you do on keeping us informed. This jury will hang and the DA will NOT re-try the case. It's too bad that defense attorneys can sway weak-minded jurors but that will happen in this case. Absolutely, positively. Ourjustice system is NOT a search for the truth and rich people get off too many times with their paid experts and million dollar defense attorneys. I'm just preparing all of you for the inevitable. I went through these exact same emotions during the 1st trial and this will be a repeat. I say let the little weasel go free and hopefully just drop dead one day soon. The jury system is flawed.
Excellent visuals people. Keep um coming.
Lunch again?
Someone is holding out.
When does Fidler ask what is going on with the deliberations?
Hi Sprocket,
Hello from Seattle. First of all I hope your knee starts feeling better (I know you like to go the natural route but Alieve works wonders for me) and give Mr. Sprocket a high-five for passing his tests.
I'm wondering what you think about putting up a poll to see how many folks think Spector is guilty vs. not guilty. This may be somewhat controversial but offers the benefit of raising Weinberg's blood pressure again.
BTW, I like your clothes and jewelry commentary.
Hello Sprocket,
Can you tell us if Beth Karas is still around the court house or was she just there for the Stern "not really an appearance" appearance? Thanks for all you do.
Sharon/Oregon
Ailani,
I don't recall if there was a complete profile of Spector's DNA on Lana's breast.
I do remember the lipstick case was stuck in her bra. She came from work and I imagine it was convienient for touch ups w/o having to fetch her purse.
I think the defense is willing to trash Lana in anyway possible in an effort to make her appear "desperate and on the edge".
On DNA matches in general:
1 in 96,000 is extremely significant.
Before DNA, defendants were convicted beyond a reasonable doubt on blood markers share by te defendant and 1 out of 10 of the population.
I'll tell ya what I think happened. The minute Lana got into Spectors car he was all over her like a dog. Lana told him to behave himself and said "I don't even know you." He promised he was going to behave himself. After some time in the castle after Lana had a few drinks and he a few more, he went after her again and then she said she wanted to go home. And then, that's when all hell broke loose. MO
Thanks Sprocket for all your dedication and updates. I was so happy the media was removed from his case, I hope that the jury will do the right thing here. It's maddening waiting but I want this madman behind bars where he belongs.
I never did find that current affair clip with him wearing those puka shells holding up the checks to pay off his Prior bad acts witnesses, but I wish everyone could see it.
That's the real "phillip spector"
CatToy
Yep some women used to keep tissue in their bras, to stick a lipstick under one's breast, old shcool but brilliant if you can't carry a bag during your shift.
Hello Sprocket,..Can you tell us how the jurors were dressed today. Thank you
The lipstick. PS wears lipstick, did it match his or hers?
Sprocket ,
please blog,, let us know what is going on ......
Thanks Barry for the update on that horrible evil
kkk Killian...... may he rest in hell when the time comes, hey wait...... he would make a good cellie for Spector............
Barry are you still in Mississippi? I'm here in Vancleave
Jon - How do you know this, exactly, that the jury will be hung? Have you not forgotten that they can also convict on manslaughter now?Did it ever occur to you that they may be trying to figure out which to go after him for?
Believe you me, if they were in disagreement we wouldn't be hearing all that laughter. Sounds like it's going well and they're being methodical.
Projecting negatively will get you nowhere in life.
Wow, is this whole waiting thing frustrating.
It's not that I want instant gratification, just justice for Lana.
Spector wears lipstick? I'll bet he'll make a good catch for an inmate lookin for a wife.
Why were you folks kicked out?
Hi Sprocket, Is the pool camera still in the courtroom? I'm curious if anyone will have a live feed when or if a verdict is announced? Is there anyone that you can ask about that? TIA!
Phil is a "cooked goose". The only thing he should be thinking about is color panties to wear in jail to match his lipstick.
Sprocket, is there any banter about the length of time the jury has been 'out' at the courthouse? Some don't think it's been long, others think it's been way too long... you mentioned you don't think they've been out that long considering the length of the trial. Have any of your companions at the trial mentioned their thoughts on it? Thanks!
When they announce that they have a verdict, will camera's be allowed in to see his face.
As someone asked before is there a time limit for deliberation that the Judge sets forth?
Lady Sprocket...Just a thank you note for putting up with our questions and being impatient.
Conrad in Carolina
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Please think positive everyone! Something will happen today. I am waiting for Sprocket to post she heard those magic sounds. It will be music to her ears (ours too!)
watch are the chances that he could stay free pending appeal if they convict him on the lessor (manslaughter) charge. Thanks
I see another deadlocked jury for sure. They have beaten the entire case to a pulp twice by now. The division will be those who want to nitpick the CSI stuff to death and those like you that see the big picture of Spector as a lifelong woman hater.
The judge like he did last time will give a revised instruction to get the NG holdouts on track and maybe that will help. Otherwise get ready for, The People vs. Phil Spector III.
I realize that having media cameras in the courtroom just waiting for a verdict is not possible, but IMHO, they should have a crew on 'verdict watch' to be dispatched as soon as they hear that a verdict has been reached. That way they could get there in time, just like Spector and Lana's family have to get there as well.
I want to watch him as the verdict is read! We've waited for this moment for 2 trials now.
Am I the only one who thinks that PS has both the means and opportunity to attempt to bribe a juror or two? He is the kind of guy who always has to be in control and given that he has many hired bodyguards on his payroll, who is to say that he doesn't send out one of his henchmen from the castle to fix this thing. I'm sure he could do a profile study on all the jurors and figure out who would be most susceptible to take a bribe. With all his money, why risk having to go to prison when you can keep deadlocking these juries? I believe he would do everything in his power to prevent prison, including bribery.
To respond to a prior question, this item about Vanity Fair columnist Dominick Dunne recently apeared in Gawker:
"Recently diagnosed with bladder cancer after a previous battle with prostate cancer, [Vanity Fair columnist Dominick] Dunne finds himself more motivated than ever to finish A Solo Act, his long-awaited next novel... 'I'm back on it full-time — that's my life now until I finish... I'm fine. I go out to lunch every day and I go out every night.'" [Mediabistro via Liz Smith]"
I remember how long it took the last jury. WEEKS!!! And the trial was just a bit longer than this one.... I wouldn't expect miracles.
Sprocket where are you. Please update.....
I'm beginning to think the jurors are enjoying the meals and the commorodary. This is such a slam dunk case. Last Friday, Phyllis should have been outfitted for his jumpsuit and had his haircut. By now, he should have already had his first date. What is going on with these jurors?
For those of you who have direly predicted that the jury will be hung because of the length of the deliberations, may I remind you that the jury in the Scott Peterson deliberated over 44 hours....
Just sayin.
Is everyone there a naysayer but me?
Just curious, do Phil and Rachelle stay in the courtroom or on the premises all day during these deliberations, or is it more an intermittent kind of thing? It's unclear to me if they hang around all day or not. I thought previously they'd just be waiting at home for the call from Weinberg.
Thanks Sprocket.
Good work Sprocket, thanks again. I have followed this trial from the first and am so grateful you're there for us to report on what's going on. I just hope they don't have a pencil headed jury foreman this time and find Lil Phil GUILTY.
Unfortunately Lana’s Mother, sister or their family attorney have no standing in the Spector case or a right to hold up reading of a verdict or any portion of the proceeding until they can get to the courtroom. They are not parties to the criminal case. Either they get there in time or not.
Isn't manslaughter the correct charge here and not murder? After all, none of us can prove malice aforethought on the part of PS as we don't know what was going through his head at the time he pulled the trigger. He could of been very intoxicated and just trying to scare LC when he accidentally pulled the trigger. If you look back at his previous encounters like this with women it seems like his use of a gun was just so he can maintain complete dominance over the other and he had no intention of actually killing them.
I don't think bribery of jury members happened in either Spector case. It is also a little disturbing to hear comments that are howling for blood. Spector is a genius and to witness such a downfall is tragic.
Hello Sprocket....Are the jurors still at lunch? Thank you
Phil and Rachelle are saying their goodbyes while Phil is googling "manluving"
Hopefully the bodyguard is being paid in advance. If not Sucks for him.
I think they are enjoying the deliberations and each other and don't want to let go of either.
Hi Ms Sprocket, I am so sorry about you laptop, but, I hope you are sitting down... It will be cheaper to buy a new one. I droped mine and cracked the screen they said $1500 to replace, mine was 15"...Congrats to Mr Sprocket
"[M]anslaughter may be the correct charge", but NOT GUILTY is the correct verdict.
To Anonymous at 2:00 pm:
Whether PS intended to kill anyone isn't relevant, nor was his state of drunkenness. If he had *planned* to kill LC, he would've been charged with Murder 1. His continual recklessness and threats with guns certainly deserve a fitting punishment of 2nd degree murder for playing Russian Roulette with women's lives.
Tell me the laptop brand, model and the screen size. I will try to check the screen price.
Sprocket, Take your computer to a windshield repair shop. They can prevent the crack from spreading.
Anonymous, 2:00 pm:
Spector may have been a genius but that is way in the past. He was no rocket scientist when it came to his personal life.
Remember, he is still alive, but Lana Clarkson is dead. Therein lies the real tragedy.
Once again thank you Sprocket for all you do. We would have no idea what is going on if it were not for you. Hoping for a guilty verdict before the holiday.
Nancy
again no verdict today,,my guess of course,,
I am only a New Yorker, but seems to me the California gun enhancement element will jack up a manslaughter conviction sentence to the equivalent to murder 2 anyway, so our boy will basically suffer a life term no matter which count comes home. Is that correct or am I missing something?
Sprocket, if it's a MARK on the screen, as opposed to a CRACK, it might not be as bad as it looks. I've been surprised to be able to remove a nasty-looking mark just by cleaning the screen.
When my son's laptop screen cracked, I obtained a brand new one off of eBay for about $117 (including shipping). I looked around on the internet and found step-by-step instructions, including photos, on how to replace the screen on that particular model. This was not from the manufacturer, just a helpful guy giving tutorials on common repairs. It took a while to get all the screws out (I think I had to remove about 32 screws!) and keep track of them all, but I WAS able to successfully replace the screen!
You can find your screen on the websites below:
www.ifixit.com = $149.00
PBParts.com
Remove the screen and write the correct part number. There are three diferent screen models.
Good Luck (ADS)
SweetLips . . . from what I've read you are on the mark.
Ah. I found out how to comment here. Just scroll:) (KathR)
Re your laptop:
http://geeksaresexy.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-to-properly-clean-your-lcd-screen.html
Gun-waving, woman-hating, sociopathic Spector needs to be put away. Poor beautiful Lana and her family. I sure hope this jury has the self assurance to return the proper verdict - GUILTY!
There is a way though of repairing a scratched LCD screen though that is inexpensive and very easy. All you need is Vaseline petroleum jelly to fill the scratch on the LCD screen. This very simple remedy works because the optical density of Vaseline more closely matches the LCD face compared to air.
All you need to do is to clean the surface of the screen and then take some Vaseline and fill the scratch with it. Gently wipe off the excess Vaseline taking care not to wipe too forcefully so that you leave some inside the scratch.
Thanks for all your doverage of the Spector trial.
what size screen do you need?
sproket . . . I'm guessing about $100 for replacement screen from what I see on eBay. Need mre info to fully search. This listing charges $110 and pays for return shipping. http://cgi.ebay.com/APPLE-iBOOK-G4-12-LCD-SCREEN-REPAIR_W0QQitemZ190288067565QQcmdZViewItemQQptZApple_Laptops?hash=item190288067565&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
Sorry about your screen Sprocket. I have just searched ebay under model no and nothing comes up for that but there are loads of screens for the iModel, ranging from 10 dollars up. Is it a G3, 4? What size is it?
The charge is Murder 2 because, whether he INTENDED for the gun to go off or not, the fact that he pointed it at her in the first place shows a conscious disregard for human life. He had full knowledge that it was possible for the gun to go off and that if itdid and a bullet hit her, it could be fatal; and he did it anyway. He performed an act where the possibility of death was high, whether he intended for it to happen or not. THAT falls into the category of Murder 2. If you believe he stuck a loaded gun INTO her mouth (and I DO believe that he DID), that most DEFINITELY showed his disregard of the lethal possibility.
Sprocket, I found a screen on for $83.00 on ebay. However, it is the A1181 but it says macbook.....thats probably different right? anyway there are computer places listed that might be able to help you.
Tess
What happened to your computer Sprocket? The last information from you that I've got; is from 9:22 this morning. Must be I'm doing some wrong. I wonder how much of this I have missed!
I just knew we would have a verdict today, but it sure doesn't look like it is going to happen. He doesn't deserve even one more hour in his famous castle, perhaps he's at Wal-Mart looking for orange lipstick to match his jumpsuit
Sprocket: here is a screaming deal on a washer http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100606167
Use a home depot 10% off coupon and then check with your water company and so cal gas for rebates. My water company gave a $310 rebate and the gas co. gave $35 instant rebate at the store.
The net cost of this enery efficient front-load washer is a little over $100!
I am calling Judge Fidler's office and asking whoever answers when he plans on asking the jury what is going on. I will post back what happens! I am certain I will get someone screening his calls, but that's OK. I will be pleasant. I am allowed to ask, right? Be back soon! Wish me luck!
"I am only a New Yorker, but seems to me the California gun enhancement element will jack up a manslaughter conviction sentence to the equivalent to murder 2 anyway, so our boy will basically suffer a life term no matter which count comes home. Is that correct or am I missing something?"
Second degree murder + 15 to life
Manslaughter + 4 years + 10 for the gun + 14 years
Spector is 69.
69 + 14 = 83 years old at release (for manslaughter)
69 + 15 = 84 years old at release (murder).
Realistically, a manslaughter conviction would have the same consequences to Spector as a murder conviction.
That said, I don't see how you can "accidentially" put a gun in someones mouth then pull the trigger.
I think this jury will convict of murder or nothing at all.
Sprocket, thank you for your dedication in bringing this trial to us. You are a special person.
My own view also is that murder two does apply and the evidence---seen from afar-- justifies that verdict. However, in practical effect it won't really matter if manslaughter comes through with the gun enhancement. Either way our boy is a goner for the rest of his sorry life.
I googled your i book model number screen....Looks like about $195...ouch!
As previous poster said Sprocket I have searched and the A1181 is a Macbook and these screens are on ebay, averaging 80 dollars with free shipping and warranty. Hope that helps.
Here's why Spector will be found not guilty or a hung jury:
Because most of us "want" it so bad! We've already got him in a jumpsuit and visualizing how his mug shot is going to look like without his wig. I agree with all of you but there seems to be a law out there that when we want justice sooooo bad (o.j.) it eludes us!
If implied malice is achieved by simply pointing the gun at her then why has Fidler allowed for manslaughter to even be considered? Neither the prosecution nor the defense asked for it and I cannot think of ANY scenario that would warrant a verdict of not guilty of murder but guilt of manslaughter in this case.
Just for the record. I saw that little weasel Spector at the supermarket a month ago. And yah he was in the cookie and snack aisle.
Sprocket please pass on to Linda Deutsch there are some of us out here really love her reporting!
Wanted to send her an email but not sure what it is.
Thanks.
Assuming there are no announcements or questions today I suspect the jury laughter is over. One group may laugh to piss off the other. This jury is divided
Could someone tell me if Phil Spector wrote the songs he produced or just gave the music someone else wrote a better sound?
I just realized that jury deliberations got underway 14 days ago - on Thursday, March 26th. Gosh, that seems like almost two weeks ago! ;)
Greg
Las Vegas, Nevada
"Just for the record. I saw that little weasel Spector at the supermarket a month ago. And yah he was in the cookie and snack aisle."
So?
ok fine. just please don't bring up his Fritos again.
Jon,
OJ is in jail.
Oops I forgot OJ was in jail. Must be all those years he ran free I still can't get out of my mind!
Anonymous said: "Just for the record. I saw that little weasel Spector at the supermarket a month ago. And yah he was in the cookie and snack aisle."
Was he wearing a frock-coat with a long tail? If he was in the snack aisle, maybe he was planning to hobnob with Mr. Peanut, in which case a monocle and a cane could be brought into play.
Hey Jon,
You're welcome
Greg
Anonymous, 3:01:
On what do you base your statemen that the "jury is divided?" We have seen no evidence of that. Stay positive.
Phil Spector both wrote and produced songs
Here's what I think is slam-dunk evidence for a conviction if I was a juror:
1. The confession to the drive
2. The fact the Spector didn't CALL 911 when Lana supposedly "killed" herself! (This to me is huge)
3. Spector's history with women
4. Lana had her purse ON HER SHOULDER! She was LEAVING!
That's enough for me to convict How much more do you really need?
Thanks Sprocket. I tried emailing Ms. Deutsch but didn't hear anything back and am not sure they gave me the correct email. (I called the LA office).
I feel Ms. Deutsch has gotten way too much flack from those who feel she's biased towards the Prosecution. I've seen Ms. Deutsch on many TV shows as a commentator, and have read many of her articles enough to know that she doesn't show ANY bias. She shoots from the hip, has a no-nonsense Jersey girl attitude, fiery red hair and a fiery red attitude. Yay, Linda!! Hope this comment makes her entire week :)
Thanks again Sprocket.
I just read that OJ Simpson's Sister, Carmelita Durio died on Monday.
Here's a link:
http://www.wgrz.com/news/national/story.aspx?storyid=65676&provider=gnews
Sprocket,
Good Grief Woman! When it rains it pours - computer screen, washing machines! Sorry to hear about that!I know Mr. Sprocket will do his research and find the best washing machine out there. Mr. Malone has been looking at the washing machines that have the silver technology - also the ones with steam. They kill 99.9% of the bacteria and allergens (or so they claim). Let me know what Mr. KK thinks because he's so thorough with his research - I value his opinion!
Kitty
When you see Phil at the supermarket does he have his body guards with him? I hope they won't have trouble finding new jobs when Phil trades them in for new guards.
Do you think having a paralegal as the foreman might be a factor in the jury not coming back yet with a conviction?
Good Afternoon,
I've never posted to anything before but have followed both the Spector trials and read just about anything (Ronnie Spector's book, Mick Brown's book etc.) I can get my hands on.
My comment for the commenters: If it were you in the defendent's chair you would want the jury to take their time to review every possible detail before coming to a conclusion. Let us hope that this jury is doing the same - regardless of the outcome. That's how the jury process is supposed to work. That is the democratic process!!
BTW, I do believe that Spector was responsible for Lana's death. But I would rather have a well-thought and considered verdict than a rush to judgement (which happens so often).
Thanks Sprocket! I'm so grateful I was able to find your blog. Your reporting has been superb!!
Sprocket, I'm a big fan of Ms. Deutsch and also Mr. Peanut
Can I help with the LA Times crossword?
Let's see....27 down:
What is a six letter characterization of Phil Spector, eccentric music producer in the 1960's.
Well spoken Anonymous @ 3.23 pm
When I saw him, He appeared to be alone and wearing his big curly wig. That made him very noticeable.
I however didn't see him talking to Mr. Peanut though.
I want to thank all the posters for their informative comments today. I never knew Phil Spector was such a snacker.
You're quite welcome.
Before I head outside...the answer is GUILTY.
Clearly, due to the anticipated public outcry, this jury will take longer to acquit that to convict.
If deliberations go another 20 hours, a Spector NOT GUILTY is very possible.
For all we know, the jury has also found him NOT GUILTY of murder, and is now considering manslaughter.
(The jury was told by the judge it could not even consider manslaughter unless and until it found him not guilty of murder.)
Thanks again Sprocket. I appreciate the effort in showing Ms. Deutsch my comment. (Just as I thought, not one hoity-toity bone in her body, even after all the justifiable accolades she's received.) I called the NY office (the receptionist seemed a little stodgy) and asked for the LA number again and was given 2 emails. So I will try again!
Thanks again!
It does look like at least some jurors are leaning toward NOT GUILTY.
Thanks to all of you who mentioned the defendant with Fritos and Planters Peanuts. Now I can't snack on these without thinking of that disgusting person.
I wonder, if Phil Spector had been a human being and not a rat fink lying weasle face, and he had said from the beginning, "Look, we were screwing around, there was some sexual play, and the gun went off. It was an accident. I am really sorry for what happened to Lana. I did not mean to kill her, and I take full responsibility. So, if that had been the scenario, would he have served his time already and gotten out for good behavior by now? Or is taking his chances with the jury the only way he could go?
It's going on 7PM est. Isn't it almost 4PM in LA? Are they wrapping up?
If he walks, I vow not to eat Fritos or Peanuts again and I challenge everyone to match. Mr. Peanut was a childhood hero of mind and I'm mad it's taking this long to convict.
Relax, the alternative is Beer Nuts.
Phil Spector’s father committed suicide in 1949 due to stress from financial condition.
Talk about irony.
My thinking is
Today - No verdict
Thursday - No verdict
Friday & Monday - No deliberations due to the holiday weekend.
Tuesday - No verdict but Fidler asks whether they have a problem
Wednesday - No Verdict
Thursday - Hung Jury
JMHO
"If he walks, I vow not to eat Fritos or Peanuts again..."
Better break out the trail mix.
BZZZZ! Jury question!
Q. We have reached an impass, we are deadlocked, what's next?
20 hours is well beyond everyone on the jury agreeing he did murder but just being through.
I had high hopes for a verdict today. AS the hands of the clock near 4:00 PDT, it sure doesn't look likely. Any signs that the jurors have asked to work overtime?
SeniorMoments
If it was 10-2 to convict last time without the manslaughter charge, you can rest assured that there will be a conviction this time.
How do you power your laptop in the court?
How often are the jurors polled to see how the feel? I heard on the last trial they were not asked very often. These people must not be on the same page about the charges.
Well, it appears we'll be drinking our morning coffee together tomorrow morning discussing the same topic. I hope everyone has an enjoyable evening and Sprocket...get some rest!
As I recall, these jurors are well aware of the first trial and that it ended in a hung jury.
The jury is also well aware of how much time and money both sides have invested in this case.
Therefore, I think that they will make every effort to reach a verdict—even if it is a verdict some do not like.
23 Hours 19 Minutes.
Anonymous said: "If he walks, I vow not to eat Fritos or Peanuts again and I challenge everyone to match. Mr. Peanut was a childhood hero of mind and I'm mad it's taking this long to convict."
Now, now ... I WONDERED if he was there to hobnob with Mr. Peanut. For all we know, Mr. Peanut would whack him over the head with his cane.
Judge Fidler needs to get involved at this point.Below is what transpired early on in the Scott Peterson case:
"An hour and a half after the jury in the Scott Peterson double-murder trial resumed deliberations on Monday, Judge Alfred A. Delucchi called the jury into the courtroom and told them to deliberate with an open mind, possibly signaling a deeply divided jury.
"Do not hesitate to change your opinion for the purpose of reaching a verdict if you can do so," Judge Delucchi said. "The attitude and conduct of jurors at all times is very important," he added. "It is rarely helpful for a juror at the beginning of deliberations to express an emphatic opinion on the case."
If Judge Fidler senses that the jurors are divided he has an obligation to address this issue.
AYYYYYYYYEEHHHH!
That was me. SCREAMING. What GIVES?Don't you think the jury has had ample time to go over the testimony or am I just being impatient?
Have a safe ride home tonight Sprocket. I'm looking forward to hearing you on the radio show tonight!
Kitty
Kitty
This is ridiculous. They should have decided by now. Think I'm about to throw in the towel and stop following this case.
I just caught up with all the posts. My question to the posters that are a little "off the chain" here about the length of time in deliberation is this: Why, if one is charged with giving a virtual life sentence to someone, is it wrong to sift through all the evidence? I, after knowing all that I know from the first trial and the second trial...think him to be totally guilty. However, even if I were on the jury, I would go through and make sure that was true. It is a HUGE responsibility for someone. Let's have a little patience and respect for this jury.
Tess
I am starting to get very angry with the jury.
I have totally lost patience. This is ridiculous.
When does Fidler start asking them what's going on?
My sense is SOMETHING will happen tomorrow. I don't know what, but something will happen.
Hi Folks. You know, if this jury hangs or acquits this weasel I, personally am going to just mentally give this particular case up. It has been eating at me since I watched every minute of the 1st trial on Court TV. I mean, I really get angry just thinking that a human being is dead, dead, dead from this maniac and it looks like he's going to get away with it. To Phil, killing Lana was just an annoyance to him and he can't understand what all the fuss is about. It's all about him. I don't care what kind of "Musical genius" he was or is and frankly, I don't care. His actions with women negate any of that musical talent he has or had. My blood runs white hot when I see him and his wife doing the "victory dance" on YouTube after the 1st hung jury. What a pompous arrogant jerk he is. He took Lana'a "ALL". Everything she had, he took. But it looks like he will not pay at all for it. I truly, truly cannot understand how thinking rational adults can be suckered by his defense strategy. Can you tell I'm really depressed over this?
They are hung!
How do you power your laptop in court? Do you plug it in somewhere?
I don't blame you for sticking with Apple product, the microsoft VISTA sucks!! I understand a new Windows 7 is coming out to replace it.
As for washing machines, you can't beat a Maytag (referring to the company before sold to Whirlpool, don't know if it changed since then). Those newer $1000 front-loaders are supposed to save a lot of water over their lifetime. Would be great to find a slightly used one. Good luck.
Wes J.
This delay is driving me nuts. I cant concentrate on my work. I hope tomorrow we get the guilty verdict. Thanks Sprocket!
We got our washing machine at a place that sells used, re-worked and scratched floor models. We got a new unused machine that was cheap! Didnt match our dryer but I dont care! Since you are near good shopping you might be able to find a place like this. Thanks for being in the court room!
If this jury was hung there would be tension--which there is not.
Sprocket, before this trial is over, I think you'll get a million hits... (brava!!!)
Sprocket:
Question; was the broken fingernail on Lana's right index finger?
I have a question: have any jurors been replaced since deliberations have started?
Give the jury time! I was getting impatient at first, too, but it will take as long as it will take for them to make their decision!
We are not in that room with them and we do not know what they are balancing, so we need to be patient with them.
We also need to remember that they are not privvy to some of the information that we have on Phil that is very damning.
If the jury votes quilty but can't decide on the charge, what happens?
Good Morning Sprocket, let's hope today's the day!
What kind of washing machine did you end up with? I need cat litter/food but I don't want to leave.......................... afraid I'll miss something!
Let's all of us cross our fingers, and silent prayer for Guilty today.
waiting in Vancleave Mississippi
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