Friday, February 29, 2008

Mark Jensen Murder Trial: Sentence! LWOP

I apologize for taking so long to get the coverage of the Jensen trial sentencing up. I wanted to include as much of the court proceedings as I could to honor Julie’s family and her memory.

We are live in the courtroom and the camera closes in on Craig Albee. Then the camera moves to Kelly. Holy cow! Now that she’s out of the “nun like” outfit we can see that she’s got a huge rack on her! Wow. Huge. David, sitting beside her has his head down and people are talking to him. Kelly and others are supporting him. David looks quite sullen, with his hair combed forward to cover most of his face.

The attorneys all went in chambers with the Judge and the feed is just on the Judge’s bench. This is a much nicer courtroom than the one the case was heard in.

We see two of Julie’s brothers. The side of the courtroom the defense and prosecution is on switches from the Elkhorn courthouse. Jensen I believe, will be in prison garb. The camera is now on the little passage way door where the deputies will bring Jensen into the courtroom. And we wait.

ritanita: Kelly and David are in the courtroom. That's the biggie for me right now. David looks so very much like his father. This must be one of the hardest days in his life. My heart goes out to him. On the other side of the courtroom, her brothers smiled and greeted Mr. Jambois. Marks parents arrive and sit with the other members of the family.

donchais: Nice courtroom.

ritanita: I am very impressed with Kenosha! Judge Schroeder must feel good to be "home."

Jensen’s sister enters the courtroom, and she sits second or third row back. Now she changes seats, and sitting directly behind David and Kelly and Jensen’s parents.

ritanita: Jean Casarez mentioned that when Laura came in and sat behind David, she gave him a bit of a smile, he didn't acknowledge her.

David’s hair covers a part of his face, and he keeps his head down. He’s quite sullen looking. We see another one of Julie’s brothers, who is hugging his siblings. They are all there now, all four brothers. And then we lose sound. Ah! It’s back! And we wait.

We see the empty chair where Mark will sit when he enters the courtroom. donchais thinks the judge is finishing his egg McMuffin. The camera shows a shot of Ratzburg. He’s been chasing this case for almost ten years. Dan, Jensen’s father and his mother who are sitting together right behind the defense area are not looking too happy.

We see a shot of the door behind the bench were the attorneys are congregating, but Jambois isn’t in there now. But he was the first time. We are now watching the doorway that Jensen will emerge from into the courtroom. Then the camera pans in close on the doorway. The cameraman must know he’s coming. Just like I thought; he’s in prison garb. A white T-shirt and dark gray prison garb over it. Kelly smiles at him. I will always believe she knew what Jensen was planning. In my mind, there’s no way that she didn’t know. Jensen is in handcuffs.

Jean Casarez reports that members of the jury and an alternate are in the courtroom. Jensen’s parents are in the courtroom sitting in the front row on the defense side, but they do not speak to Jensen or to Kelly and David who are sitting in the same row.

The announcement comes. Please rise.

The Judge takes the bench and the courtroom goes silent.

Judge Schroeder goes over an issue that still needs to be resolved. The correction of the death certificate regarding Julie Jensen.

The attorneys identify themselves for the proceeding and Judge Schroeder starts to speak. Based upon the evidence produced upon the trial, first of all we’ll need an amendment form the medical examiner because when this case was submitted in 2004 the case was originally submitted to Judge Fisher so it has branch four on there so it needs to be corrected. So I ask that you ask Dr. Mainland to submit a new form 5040. Unless there is an objection when the form is submitted the court will direct the examiner to change the medical certification portion of death certificate listing the manner of death as pending to state that, in box 46 A the cause of death was ethylene glycol poisoning and the manner of death at box 38 criminal homicide. And otherwise as submitted is satisfactory. Any objection to that?

There’s no objection from the state.

Albee: Judge, I’d like to see the petition as submitted and would like to have the opportunity to object at that time. I’d request five days .

Judge: All right. If you would see that that is submitted to Mr. Albee for review and the court will approve it after five days if there is no objection.

The second issue I wanted to comment on before the finale judgment in the case is entered, is uh, with respect to the evidentiary ruling about the dying declaration. I apologize. I started another trial on Monday and I’ve been in trial all week, so, and continue in the trial this afternoon, so I have not had a chance to complete the memorandum which I had promised for today. I do want to state some of what I’ve assembled in terms of the rationale for the ruling which was made that this is a dying declaration since it has the potential to be of extreme importance to the future course of this case.

I just observe that, one of the principle things that Crawford vs Washington did was not only clarify for us what the rule of confrontation is and how it works, but to make very clear to us, and I’m quoting directly from the decision at 541 United States 54 amendment six is most naturally read as a reference to the right of confrontation at common law, admitting only those exceptions established at the time of the founding. There’s other references in the decision to the historical basis for the rule, but what they make clear is that, when one is working with the right of confrontation, that the historical rule as it existed at the time of the adoption of the bill of rights is what’s to be considered. That is the reasoning behind the determination that this was a dying declaration. (There’s more.)

And soon after, although I’m typing away, I’m totally lost as to what the Judge is talking about with the rule of confrontation being over 1,000 years old. I think I get the gist, but I’m not really sure. He’s going back 200 years as to what the original framers of the law meant by dying declarations, their origin in religion and from what I am grasping, it appears he disagrees with the Wisconsin Supreme Court’s ruling that Julie’s letter is NOT a dying declaration, and he goes on to explain why he accepted it as a dying declaration letter. Schroeder continues to quote more ancient law and what the rulings were in those cases. More cases are mentioned. And as the Judge reads about these cases, the camera closes in on Jensen.

“One of the principles of English law, which was driven by religious belief was represented by the maxim, (and he rattles off a latin phrase here) that is, a dying person is not presumed to lie."

The camera pans to a close up of David.

“It would seem that every dying declaration would be a dying declaration. It would seen that a person in such a position with such, would be under the same stress, and the the situation would question the stating even while the declarent's under that stress. It makes no sense that we have a different law....”

And the Judge reads more case law about the framing of the constitution and I get more lost. Then the Judge bursts out in an angry voice, addressing someone in the gallery.

“Sir! If you’re going to carry on you’re going to leave this courtroom right now! Do I make myself clear! In the middle! You know who I’m talking to! (It’s totally startling this outburst from the Judge.) You!

(Man! I know exactly what that feels like!)


"I’ll leave your honor," a voice from the gallery replies.

And the Judge says, “That’s fine with me!”

Judge Schroeder goes on about dying declarations, and I can’t grab it because he’s reading so fast. He’s reading old English sounding language.

LinZbee: Morning all. I just turned TTV on and missed what just happened. Did I hear in the background of what's happening here, the judge just kick some guy out of the court room? Please tell me what happened. Thanks.

donchais: He was talking in court, a no no.

Schroeder then gives an example of making a scheduled payment online, for a bill to be paid on a certain date, and the parallel’s he draws to Julie Jensen’s letter that is to be delivered to the police in the event of her death. His example is strikingly eloquent in explaining Julie’s frame of mind in writing that letter before hand, in the event that near her death, she would be unable to make a dying declaration.

ritanita: Judge Schroeder quotes examples from Shakespeare.

The justification of the Common Law was that a dying person would face the wrath of Hell. The modern interpretation has been that it was merely an excited utterance. The 1791 references are more important than the current version. The Judge compares this to the way he schedules on-line credit card payments. By putting a future date in and doesn't change it, it will go through. That is is desire. Julie wrote the letter and gave it to Thad Wojt prior to her death, but never took it back to change her intentions.

I'm impressed! The Judge takes Common Law and proves it by 21st century technology! Wow, for not having finished his finding, this sure is rambling.

A close up on Jensen. His lips pursed.

LinZbee: How perfect it will be if Julie's letter is the linchpin that hangs Mark's hide with the strongest sentence. I just feel so sorry for his son. "The Doomsday Letter", the judge called it.

“There is not doubt that Julie Jensen feared she would swiftly lose her ability to communicate. That she scheduled her letter for when her death was confirmed. Julie purposely allowed the letter to remain....” And I lose getting the last bit of what Judge Schroeder was conveying when he proceeds to sentence.

ritanita: Ah, but this is the key to the conviction. Judge Schroeder is justifying his decision for declaring Julie's letter a dying declaration. That would make it an exception to the hearsay rule which is presently before the Supreme Court. If that case prevails, Mark Jensen would have a good shot at winning his appeal.

Albee speaks for the record. Judge, I just have a few comments. I certainly wasn’t prepared to raise any issue regarding the dying declaration today but I would say that, at the the trial, this matter, the dying declaration rule was not the the basis for the admission of the letter or any other hearsay evidence. Procedurally, it’s not an issue that was briefed by the parties or raised by the prosecution at the time of trial. I would view the courts opinion, given those circumstances, as purely advisory, since it wasn’t the basis for admission of evidence in this case because the parties did not brief this issue did not have a chance to respond to the issue that the courts raised “su a sponte.” (I’m sure I have that latin wrong.)

Those are mostly procedural things, the only thing I would just note at this time in terms of the validity of the court’s ruling. I oppose whole heartedly, I don’t think there is a basis for admitting it as as a dying declaration. I don’t think any of the existing law supports admitting it as a dying declaration. And I don’t think that as interpreted it would survive any confrontation challenge. But if the court’s looking at the law as it existed at the time of the founding, I’m unaware of any interpretation of dying declarations prior to 1791 in which dying declarations were interpreted so broadly as to encompass statements made long before a person was, uh, in the dying process, if you were under that belief. And so, I don’t, think even under the court’s reasoning that, uh, at the time of the founding that would allow the admission of this, of this evidence. Were I to take the time to brief this, I think I would have numerous other objections to the admission of this evidence as dying declarations but I think all those are preserved particularly since procedurally there was not an opportunity to brief this issue before a decision by the court.

Mr. Jambois: First of all your honor, I have in the past likened this letter, to some more like a testamentary request than, or bequest rather than a dying declaration. I have to say that I found that I’d never done the research that the court has probably done in this case and I have to say I found it intriguing. However, you did admit this document as a dying declaration, you found that to be an independent basis for admission of the document and you did that during the states case in chief as I recall. So it is on the record, and it is part of the record in this case.

Judge: Well I don’t think it was during the state’s case in chief.

Jambois: It wasn’t?

Judge: I think it was prior to the close in the evidence, however, I think ultimately I have the responsibility to decide on how the evidence is received and it strikes me that the core rule, and there are some dying declarations as old as three weeks before death reported in English law. You're getting into the timing, and the timing is relevant only so far as it bears upon whether the declarant would have had the fear that she would have to pay for what she was saying in the afterlife. That’s the core of the rule. That’s what its all about. Otherwise, we wouldn’t even have a rule, that’s absurd....

I miss a lot of the next text, but he goes onto say:

But we are dealing here now with exceptions to the confrontation clause and Crawford has taught us that that has to be looked at, the way people thought in 1791. Now, um, ~ the Judge grasps for some words ~ I’m struggling with this idea, that this is kind of a of a glorified dying declaration. It doesn’t make any sense. Why would they even have, a dying declaration rule, if ~ a glorified excited utterance~ It seems to me every dying declaration, or at least the huge majority of them, I guess I would say all of them, would have to be exited utterances so it doesn’t make any sense to have two different rules. Not only two different rules, but two different conditions upon which the evidence can be received. So there must be something special about the dying declaration and the answer is what the founders believed and relied upon.

donchais: This must be pure torture for Mark sitting there.

Judge: I’m sure that we won’t hear the last on this issue, but perhaps the last from me.

Albee: Family members of the victims that want to be heard. The sons have given me a letter that they would like me to read.

And, this is from David and Douglas Jensen. David, David is here in the courtroom. Dear Judge Schroeder, Our names are David and Douglas Jensen. We are the sons of Mark and Julie Jensen. Throughout this case, we have remained silence. Silent. And the true character of our father has remained obscured. We write this to give voice to the type of man he is.

After the death of our birth mother, Julie, he took care of us. We were, all of us, devastated at her loss. And the memory of him crying while holding his sons on his lap, is one of my most vivid. He was there to comfort us; to make sure we were okay. Not just emotionally, but in our daily lives as well.

Our dad has been described as unemotional, or something to that effect in the media. For those that don’t know him, this may appear to be true. But in reality, he is a strong willed person. He taught us how to hold ourselves up and carry on in our life, despite any adversity or hardship we may be facing. He never failed to support us throughout this ordeal. When he couldn’t return to his work after he was charged, he started a business to provide for his family.

It is true he worked a lot. However, this isn’t uncommon with today’s families. Despite this, he always made time for us. He’s always done this for us. If we ever need help, advice or just someone to talk to, we know we can go to him for anything. Also, whenever we spent time together, he made sure it was fun. Whether it was a weekend outing, or just bringing home a kringle for breakfast on Saturday, we enjoy the time we spend together. He cares deeply for his family.

Mark starts to break up.

Even while being held in the Kenosha pretrial facility, or Elkhorn during the trial, whenever we spoke with him on the phone, his greatest concern was the well being of his family. If anyone in this world is the epitome of loyalty, it is our dad. He encouraged us to follow our interests and to do well in school. It didn’t matter whether we needed some help on homework or just wanted to tell someone about an interesting article or book we’d read. He’d stop to listen and have a conversation.

Even in the face of this case, our Dad has been someone our family has counted on. While our desire would be for his immediate release, we realize the impossibility of this, as the court must pass a sentence in spite of his innocence. In light of this, we request that our Dad, be eligible for parole as soon as possible. We love you dad. Thank you.

Sincerely, David Jensen, Douglas Jensen.

Mark is actually crying. Donchais says, “This is the only emotion I’ve ever seen out of him” “He’s crying for himself,” I reply. Those poor, brainwashed kids. How sad.

Xspectorant: I see the jurors in the courtroom. Poor David, He looks so much like his Dad. There's Mark crying. Wahhhhh poor me! I murdered my sons' mother, but I'm still a great Dad! Wahhhhhhh!

EddieHaskel: Julie's letter can't stand by itself; she also had to DIE and there had to be supporting evidence for a jury to convict. And they had enough evidence to convict.

ritanita: That's it? I just knew she wouldn't say bupkis for darlin' hubby!

SKelly63: That was a fake cry. It broke my heart to hear that letter and Julie being described as "our birth mother." That just means they call the skank "mom."

EddieHaskel: His emotion may stem from knowing his son is sitting behind him and hearing all this, and I think he's crying for himself and his loss of freedom.

Paul Griffin speaks:

I respectfully ask the court today to show no mercy for Mark Jensen. Why you might ask? Because he showed no mercy to his wife, my sister Julie Jensen. He treated her poorly by taking advantage of her kind and gentle, giving nature. He disrespected her, as she took care of their house and children, while he did only what pleased him, while making her serve him.

He showed no mercy while he routinely tortured and abused Julie mentally by recording her telephone calls, and placing pornographic photos around their house, year after year. He controlled her by keeping track of the miles on her car and expected her to be hone at all times that he called.

When she tried to leave him he threatened that she would never see her children again. He showed no mercy when he tried to poison her, not once, but numerous times in 1998. He showed no mercy to her children as he ignored their pleas to bring their sick mother to the hospital. On December third, he looks his boys in the eyes, knowing he was not going to allow them to see their mother alive again. He propped her up in bed while she was barely able to breathe barely able to speak for her children to see.

Mark Jensen showed no mercy as Julie lay dying in bed suffering through the stages of ethylene glycol poisoning, her respiratory system and organs failing. When she was not dying fast enough he showed no mercy as he sat on her back and shoved her face in a pillow, suffocating her until the life left her body.

Mark Jensen hid behind a mask of fatherhood and providing for a family. He cold heartedly lied to, and tore apart with his selfishness and disrespect for life. He murdered d the person who made his entire adult life a success, and gave him two wonderful boys. He had a chance to make things right yet he chose evil, which he plotted and schemed for years and years, until finally ending his sick game of torture by finally killing my sister.

Killing Julie was not enough for Mark Jensen. He further chose to spit on her grave by claiming she killed herself. He tried to erase her existence from the lives of her sons. He has continued for almost ten years to make their children believe that she left them stranded.

He showed no mercy and his claims that Julie’s mother and family, my family are depressed suicidal people. Mark Jensen is a coward. He claimed Julie’s letter was not admissible in court because she was not here to be confronted, yet he made false claims against my deceased mother. Your honor, Mark Jensen does not deserve any opportunities for a second chance. I ask today for the maximum: No Mercy. No parole for Mark Jensen. Thank you, your honor.

Judge: Thanks Mr. Griffin. I want to thank you, and I forgot to point out before hand, in making your remarks, keep in mind please that, you are to direct your remarks to me, and not Mr. Jensen and how I am to dispose of the case. So please keep that in mind.

EddieHaskel: Well, if Julie's brother wanted to develop a relationship with David, I'm thinking that ship just sailed.

ritanita: I always hope that, with the passage of time, David will heal from this and begin to look at his Mother's death. Patrick's letter is so powerful.

donchais: Anyone else crying?

Xspectorant: Yes.

SKelly63: Me, this is so rough to watch.

Another brother takes the stand.

My name is Patrick Griffin, Julie's youngest brother. I will never forget the utter devastation of getting a call from my brother telling me that Julie had passed away at age 40, from an interaction from her doctor’s prescriptions. This was on December 3rd, 1998. I will never forget the second crippling blow of my brother telling me that Julie was murdered. Poisoned, by the defendant, who had his mistress soon after, staying over nights, and that Julie had been suspicious enough, to write a letter to police. This was in spring, 1999. I will never forget the despair and helplessness, learning that the defendant was out on a measly five hundred thousand dollar bail, even after killing his own children’s mother.

I will never forget his disappointment and misery, that Julie's letter to the police would be allowed into evidence and his bail was lowered, in 2004 to three hundred and fifty thousand and only to check in once a week. I will never forget the Superior Courts ruling.
I will never forget an inmates testimony, about suffocating Julie.

I will never forget the defendants winks and grins during trial. But not to get on the stand to spit on the grave, but to portray her as suicidal. There is only one who needs a psychological profile done. I will remember my own children wanting to know who Aunt Julie was and who their cousins are. I will remember her forever in photographs and music.

Over nine years, from hearing the words Julie's dead to hearing the words guilty. Someday I hope to remember how the defendant passed away not as a free man, but as someone who had paid the price of a selfish act that he had committed long ago. I ask that the court show the same no mercy that he showed he to Julie.

Another brother.

I’m Michael Griffin, Julie's younger brother.

Mark just didn't just poison Julie a kind caring person for nearly ten years, he emotionally tormented her, and caused her sexual pain.

Unfortunately at this point I had a house emergency and I had to step away from my computer, and I lose a section of Michael's statement.

I continue to grieve for Julie in her final months and days, as he continued to torture her, as she fought for consciousness and finally for her last breath. I will forever miss her natural loving of David and Douglas.

..so that this dangerous individual, who is beyond psychological social rehabilitation, can do no more harm to anyone and we can make reparation of the truth to the memory of our sister, Julie. Thank you.

Final brother.

I am Larry Griffin, Julie's older brother.

Judge, I believe Mark’s motive for snuffing out the healthy life of the mother of his two boys was to feed a personal vengeance he had against her, for a brief affair she encountered and a playboy lifestyle that she prevented him from living. Divorce would have been so easy. Mark and Julie could have gone their own separate ways, and negotiated the parenting of their children. But no. He saw fit to harm, to torture, to kill his wife, my sister. From whom did he acquire this authority over life and death?

He performed a reprehensible act that is morally unacceptable. I believe he must suffer. Julie still lives in the lives of David and Douglas. They know through her, just what he is all about. Their eyes, her eyes, will haunt him to his grave.

Judge: Thank you Mr. Griffin.

donchais: Mark has looked at the Griffins with anger as each has read their statements.

ritanita: It's hard to take, hearing the grief.

As my co-reporters are commenting on how emotional the letters are, I force myself to remain composed, to try to obtain as much coverage as possible. I shut off my feelings so I can report on the sentencing, to honor Julie and her family as best I can.

donchais: Everyone of their statements have been most eloquent.

SKelly63: OMG look what he wrote his remarks on.... I cant take much more of this.

ritanita: Larry wrote his statement on the back of a picture of Julie and the boys. OK, that did me in. I'm bawling.

Xspectorant: Hmmm. Julie's bro just mentioned the greeting cards Julie always sent. I wonder if Jambois ever researched to see if Julie had purchased the family's Christmas greeting cards yet. If she made a recent purchase (usually I look to buy mine after Thanksgiving), would that help disprove the suicidal theory?

ritanita: Good question. Well, one of her brothers received a gift from her, discounting that she didn't shop for the holiday.

Jambois speaks to the court:

I've waited a long time for this day Judge. I know that you've had an opportunity to assess the evidence from a more elevated plane, that of an arbiter of what comes into court and what doesn’t from an objective perspective. I've never had that luxury. I've been working to solve this case and working to find the truth in this case since December 3rd, 1998. What I've learned in this pursuit just how utterly devious a person Mark Jensen is. When we recovered the computer and we saw what Mark Jensen was doing on that computer we discovered how devious he was.

I really see no... I see both sides of Mark Jensen, in this courtroom when I hear from his family. When I heard the letter that was written by David and Douglas which I’m sure, is a heart felt rendition of their perception of their father. It doesn't surprise me in the least that Mark Jensen was able to hold his two small sons on his lap and weep with them, over their terrible loss and cause them to believe that he was blameless for their terrible loss, knowing all along that he was the arbiter, he was the cause of this terrible loss. I can see Mark Jensen doing that. I can invision Mark Jensen doing that.

And I hope at the time, that you consider the appropriate penalty in this case, you invision Mark Jensen. The real Mark Jensen. The Mark Jensen that was presented and revealed to the jury. The Mark Jensen that is presented and revealed to you today, by the statements of all the victims in this case including the statements of David and Douglas.

Consider, invision, Mark Jensen holding David and Douglas on his lap. The day of, the day after her death. The same day, the day after her death was the same day that he was talking to Dave Nearing (sp?) and discussing the advisability of having his lover, his girlfriend move into the house, before the wake. The same day that Julie was being carved open on a table, by a forensic pathologist, that same day, he was discussing with his friend David Nearing the advisability of inviting his girlfriend to the wake of his wife. And that same day, he was holding his sons on his lap, and weeping with them for their loss. The loss that he caused.

The same Mark Jensen who would sit with his wife, his wife Julie, throw a picture at her, and say to her, look what your boyfriend left for me today. So that he could observe her anguish, her shame, once again. Relish it. Love it. Love the humiliation that he was working upon his wife.

Kelly looks stoic.

Mark Jensen treated his wife the way some demented people torture small animals or pick the wings off flies. That’s the way Mark Jensen treated his wife in the years preceding her death. And those kinds of people who torture small animals can, none the less, portray themselves as something completely different to those around them. To those whom they care about. Mark Jensen cares about his children, but in terms of Julie, how did he describe her? Why that was one of his details. And details are just noise in the bigger picture. You really get a chilling picture of the ways Mark Jensen’s mind works and the reason that he is able to persuade his parents, and to persuade his children is because Mark Jensen is a true sociopath. A true sociopath. As Laura Coster, prophetically told Julie, a week and a half before she died, “I lived with him for 18 years you have no idea what he's capable of.”

We know that this case calls for manditaory LWOP.

Jambois, requests that if he decides on parole, that it be many many years into the future.

Or tell this defendant that he will never receive parole. He has stole his freedom for the last nine years. He was out on bond for 8.5 years. He worked over time to destroy Julie’s memory. He wanted to poison the ground so that no more more love would exist by these children for their mother. I don’t know if the kids are emotionally prepared to look for that (the truth in this case). I encourage them to look at the transcript of this case to anguish over it, just like the jury did.

And their father, who acted as though he loved them , did an act that made them suffer for the rest of their life. That you look at the true Mark Jensen who could hold his sons on his lap and comfort them all t he while knowing that he murdered his wife.

And how he tortured her, and watched chow he relished in her fear and her shame .

donchais: Jambois is even saying the kids were brainwashed.

Xspectorant: The air must weigh 1000 lbs in that courtroom. I get the feeling everyone there is having a hard time breathing, even more so than me. Rest in peace, Julie, rest in peace.

ritanita: You can feel it. I feel for Laura. She seems to have lost her family, too.

SKelly63: Im sorry; if your kids are receiving free school lunches because you claim you cant afford it, then you better not be getting your hair highlighted etc. I CANT stand that skank Kelly.

donchais: Can you imagine how Jambois feels, having chased this for 10 years?

Xspectorant: Dang! I'd hate to be Judge Schroeder.

ritanita: I'm guessing the judge gives him 300 years before he can ask for parole.

SKelly63: An excellent father does not kill the mother of his children..... (BS!)

Mr. Albee.

In considering what is an appropriate sentence in this case, really comes down to hen he should have the eligibility of parole. the court must consider the defense character and the gravity to the public, We maintain the wrong decision in this case and that the court must accept the jury's verdict, in this case.

It’s a very serious offense. that’s why we have life in prison mandated. That’s why under the best case scenario from the defendant’s perspective, it’s a long, long time before parole is ever a possibility. In looking at what we should do in this individual case, and of course that’s what the court must do is look at this particular person, Mark Jensen, We can look at the rest of his life. He's’ been hard working, he’s worked ever since high school. He's always been employed. He’s been an excellent father to his children.

Even neighbors who are extremely biased against Mr. Jensen, recognized that he was a loving father from all of their observations. You have the letter from the children in this case. They love their father, that he’s been supportive of them. They’ve done very well. David is at the top of class and heading off to college next year. And they've made it though this ordeal as intact as they could be because of their father’s support, willingness to talk, willingness to be the kind of supportive parent they needed to get through the loss of their mother.

Mr. Jensen has no prior criminal convictions, just his offense that the court must sentence on. In terms of protection of the public, again no prior offenses; no offenses while this case was going on. Four hundred and fifty plus times he reported without incident to either the DA’s office or to the corrections service. This court must consider the recommendation of people who are characterized as victims. And his children under the law fit that profile most directly. What they want, is for their dad, who they see on a daily basis, who they know in a way that no one els in this court knows him. And they see what kind of person he is. He’s a hard working man who’s been supportive of all their needs. What they want is that he have the opportunity for parole eligibility at the earliest date.

Mr. Jambois suggests they read the whole transcript. That’s fine. That’s up to them. I have no concerns about that, because I think that no matter what they know hat kind of man their father is. And, at the end of the day, the court is not deciding whether or not Mr. Jensen is released on parole, but simply deciding whether or not he has the opportunity. And as these young men and boys become adults, and they have the opportunity to examine this case however they see fit and receive whatever information they think is relevant to their consideration of who their father is. And if they feel differently at the time that a parole board might meet, somewhere down the line when Mr. Jensen is at least in his sixties, the parole board will ask them how they feel.

And if they feel differently then, well that will be taken into consideration. If they feel the same way that they do now, that ought to be taken into consideration because they are under the law the people who are identified as victims in this case. And, the parole board can take into consideration all the circumstances as they exist at that time including the wishes of the victims, David and Douglas Jensen. And, the parole board can consider under the circumstances as they exist at that time, whether the public is protected from Mr. Jensen and I see no risk that he would pose at all, if he were to be released in his sixties. He’s been a productive member of society throughout his life. So, what I’m asking this court, is, to follow the wishes of David and Douglas Jensen in this case and allow them what they wish which is the opportunity for their father to be considered for parole in the statutory time. What might be considered the default time period under, what that section 306.01 sub zero one.

The camera moves quickly over to Kelly Jensen, who doesn’t appear to be looking at her husband, and then the camera zooms in on David, and stays there for a time. He keeps his head down and is so solemn looking. Jensen looks sullen as Albee speaks.

And the parole board can make the decision on the circumstances as they exist at that time. As while this is a very serious crime, so are the penalties. So is the lengthy time before he is even eligible for parole and the life sentence that’s hanging over his head right now. But the victim’s rights rule, isn’t a one way street. It wasn’t enacted just so victims could express their wishes and Judges would hammer those defendants in cases where the victims wanted vengeance, retribution. But in this case, those children want mercy. They want that in part because they’ve spent on a daily basis their time with their dad who they love and know to be a good person, and who’s brought them up well.

Again, if they feel differently thirteen years, twenty years down the line, whenever there’s a parole hearing set, they can express that. And Mr. Jensen won’t get out. But if they feel the same way they do now, then as victims, their rights out to be respected and the door shouldn’t be shut on that. And the parole board can consider the circumstances as they exist including the wishes at that time of the Griffin brothers. But, the door shouldn’t be shut, on these young men and they should have the hope that they will see their father again. And that’s a decision the parole board is perfectly capable of making and will not take lightly. The fact that this court providing for the statutory parole eligibility date says nothing about whether he gets out. It just provides that opportunity and it’s not as thought the parole board takes that task lightly.

So I think the thing to do under these circumstances in given Mr. Jensen’s, the other aspects of Mr. Jensen’s life and in particular how his sons feel about him and the kind of parent he’s been and ask the court to set the parole date under which that section 304.06 sub one, and allow the parole board to consider his eligibility at the earliest date and take into consideration at that time, the wishes of the victims.

ritanita: Albee makes me want to puke!

donchais: Yeah, he’s a freakin’ saint.

SKelly63: Skank Jensen takes them to the jail everyday to see daddy.... bullshit, that is a huge lie!!!! I want to just go and hug, and hold David... he looks so sad.

ritanita: The victim wanted vengeance! How can he say that in front of those boys!

SeniorMoments: It's so obvious that this is a heartfelt matter for Mr. Jambois and not just some legal exercise. His passion for the truth in this case is so impressive to me. It feels so honest and real.

LinZbee: Yes, SM. And he gave the judge the right points to remember as he sentences MJ. This tragedy for all could have been so avoidable. Every time I see his son, my heart breaks. I'm sure David and Douglas will do just what Jambois said, and one day they will research the whole case and come to know that Mark killed Julie. I also know that deep down, they remember the love Julie gave them and that will help them face the truth in the future. Love never fails.

Judge: Thank you Mr. Albee. Mr. Jensen, is there anything you wish to say before sentence is pronounced?

Mark Jensen: No thank you, your honor.

Jensen decides not to speak or address the court!

Judge: Well I have sentenced scores of people to prison for murder. And when I assess the entire mountain of facts and evidence that exist in this case, I come to the conclusion that if I were to impose anything less than the maximum sentence in this case, I feel I have cheated the other people. Because your crime is so enormous, so monstrous, so unspeakably cruel, that, it, it, overcomes all other considerations. And Mr. Albee has correctly stated that there are plenty of positive factors in your background. And indeed the Supreme Court instructs us to consider a large number of factors in imposing sentence. But it is certainly the case that some crimes just are so enormous that they overcome them any of the positive factors, and this ghastly crime, is one of them. It is so saturated with malice, I mean it’s such a long standing malice. The persistent tormenting, torturing of this woman during many years.

And then when this affair started, that you contemplated and planned and plotted this cruel method of execution for so long a period of time. The wickedness and cruelty of the matter of death you elected in this case, uh, just speak to the, content of your character. There are a limited number of people who would do something like that and those people are people that we need to remove from society. To protect other people, to make an example of people who would do things like this. And ultimately to affirm the dignity of Julie Jensen’s life. That’s why you’re here today. That's why we as a society collect to dealt with transgressions like this. And I repeat that, I would feel that, when I compare the acts of others, the people who get into a ballroom brawl and pull out a gun and shoot somebody and are sent to prison for life against how you planned and executed this crime, that’s not even a comparison. And as I say, I think I would have cheated them, by sentencing them to prison for life if I don’t impose the maximum sentence in your case. So, unless there is some reason why sentence should not now be pronounced I ask that you now stand for sentence please.

Jensen stands.

EddieHaskel: Is Markie entitled to conjugal visits in prison? Ooh... he's throwing the book at 'em!

Mr. Jensen it is the sentence of the court that your custody be committed to the department of corrections for confinement in the Wisconsin’s State Prison’s without possibility of parole, for the remainder of your life. You may be seated.

THANK YOU JUDGE SCHROEDER!

Jensen’s father appears stunned; his mother I can’t read. Mark is led from the courtroom. To me, Kelly looks well, disgusted.

donchais: She's leaving for the county clerks office to file for divorce.

SKelly63: Go Judge, Go Judge, Go Judge!

ritanita: Judge, I love you! A ghastly crime, full of malice. The torture, wickedness, cruelty of death... speak to the content of Mark's character. Mark looks perturbed. LWOP!

SKelly63: God Bless Judge Schroeder. Finally some justice for Julie.

ritanita: They don't call him BRUCE THE TERRIBLE for nothing!

Skelly63: Now it's time to find out where Julie is buried, so I can go lay some flower's from her friends here.

EddieHaskel: Kelly looks like she's taking it well... now she can hurry home and call her boy-toy.

ritanita: The jurors look pleased!

kathlb: Thank God they gave him life without parole! Even the judge seemed awed by how sick and cruel he was.

SKelly63: Kelly is a shank ass pig from hell

donchais: Such a long haul, so sorry for the kids, but so pleased for Julie and her family! Jambois and Schroeder are to be commended!


The Judge leaves the bench and I can see Jambois speaking in a huddle to Julie's family. Judge Schroeder is out of his is robes and waves goodbye by. David leaves the courtroom. The camera focuses on a head shot of Detective Ratzburg, as the family leaves the courtroom.

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Our Sister Julie: Memorial site

Some final thoughts for Julie Jensen's family, from LinZbee:

For Julie's brothers and family,

You were so eloquent and dignified in your final comments to the judge (and indirectly to Mark). Your love for your dear sister flowed through the courtroom to everyone there. Many of us who have followed this trial to completion were weeping as we listened to the cries from your broken hearts, and to your tender words reaching out to David and Douglas. I feel confident that one day they will be able to seek the truth of what really happened and remember the loving true Mother they had in Julie Jensen. Those early years that she sowed love and nurturing into their young lives will one day reap a harvest back to honor her memory.

"Train up a child in the way he should go,
And when he is old he will not depart from it."
Proverbs 22:6

Wednesday, February 27, 2008

CUTTS SENTENCE REACHED!!

This report has been compiled by Sprocket and donchais.

Cutts enter the courtroom and is speaking with his attorneys. The jury is not present yet. Right from the start, the attorneys request a sidebar. Patty and Audrey look very serious and tense. Now, the Judge is back on the bench.

In just a minute, the court is going to instruct the bailiff to bring the jurors back into the courtroom. The Judge speaks to the gallery. "I do not know what that verdict is. However I do need to anticipate, if the verdict is death, then the sentencing hearing will be evoked tomorrow afternoon, in Stark County courthouse. IF the verdict is not death, then the court will immediately move to sentence."

The Judge continues. "When the jury comes in, we’re going to have a departure from the normal procedures. We are going to change the procedure, only the judge will rise. No one, even the defendant will rise. If the sentence is not death, as I said we will move immediately to sentencing. I realize there be member of the family who may what t address the court according to sentencing. You will have to opportunity to do that."

"Anything that you may want to say will be limited to sentencing. If anyone wanders from that they will be cut off immediately. I won't listen to anything and you won't be in the courtroom. We will follow the same rule as at time. No one stands up or leaves, until I say soy. If anyone coughs, or anything you will be escorted out of the courtroom. At the conclusion of this again, I don't know the sentence, I would apparently be aware o the media if the sentence is not death, because if it is death, because what you may talk about is in full force and effect. Effectively what is referred to as a gag order. Is still in effect."

"At the conclusion of the sentencing I will feel sure that the family of Mr. Cuts and the family of Miss Davis and will want to talk to the media and the media will want to talk to you. There will not be any media in the courthouse or any photographs. Other than the cameras and the still cameras in the courtroom. Deputies will escort both families out of the courthouse."

"Will appreciate the cooperation of the media and the families. You all did an excellent job and should all be commended for that, and I'm sure the same thing will happen this afternoon."

Nothing else to be put on the record.

donchais and I speculate on why the judge is not letting anyone stand while the jurors come in.

The camera is focused on Cutts' face. Then the jury is being brought in.

Wonder if Bobby is going to perform his crocodile tears routine?

Judge ensures that no one has influenced them and that they have been sequestered and no outside influences. And he reads them four questions. The jurors all answer individually to each of these questions.

1. Have you been sequestered during your deliberations during the trial and the sentencing phase, so that you are free from any outside influences that may in any way influence your verdict.

2. Has anyone associated with the court had any communications with you, concerning this case, during the proceedings except here in open court, on the record?

3. Has any one except in the deliberations said anything, done anything, that tried to to attempt to influence your verdict in any way?

4. Has anyone else except the twelve main jurors participated in any way? In your deliberations?

Cuts is stoic, and stares straight ahead.

I can hear donchais is very tense and breathing heavily over the phone. She's' on the edge of her seat.

The judge reiterates that the jury has reached a verdict and they went outside for a short while with the court officers. donchais would have gone out and smoked a whole pack of cigarettes.

The judge verifies that their sequestration, they had no media access, to TV, media.

Are these verdicts all signed by all twelve of your members?

Mr. Davidson please hand me the verdict form.

donchais is ill. She's ready to throw up.

Aggravated Murder, Jessie - Life without parole for 30 full years.

Aggravated Murder, Baby Chloe Life without parole for 30 full years.

Aggravated Murder, Viable fetus Life without parole for 30 full years.

Count four: Aggravated burglary! Guilty 3-10 years.

Count five: Gross abuse of a corpse! (Jessie) Guilty 6-12 months

Count six: Gross abuse of a corpse! (Baby Chloe) Guilty 6-12 months.

Count seven: Endangering children! (Blake) 180 days.

Mack addresses the court: We understand that you have sat through both phases of this trial and heard all the mitigation evidence, you heard him express remorse. You heard he has a family. We believe aggravated charges should be run concurrently as it was a single act. All the counts should run concurrently.

Watson~ I agree with the comment and the remorse Mr. Cutts expressed is sincere. We are not trying to demean the family of Jessie and our hearts go out to them,

Ranke~ All sentences should run concurrently.

Cutts has no statement for the court. Nor does his family.

Letter read by a friend on behalf of one of Jessie's sisters~Bobby Cutts took my sister from me; you took a chink out of my heart. Jessie meant everything to me. I was adopted into the family at a very young age. I stayed with her and Blake many times. She took me to school everyday. I still wait for her, but only the bus comes.

How could you do this to Jessie and our family? How could you do this to Blake? How could you help with the search? You have destroyed so many peoples lives and especially Blake. I hope when he is older he can ask you questions and you can answer them.

Audrey~Weeping so hard she can barely speak. She went to a funeral a few days before Jessie dies and remembers saying to her I can’t imagine losing any of my brothers and sisters. I was the one who sat for hours on the porch holding Blake while he was crying and asking for his mommy and she was never coming home.

You sat there and lied. I hope one day you can look at your son and tell him the truth. I’ll just never understand that.

Ned Davis~ Don’t even look at me, just put your head down. Your honor, he violently murdered her…5’4”. Baby Chloe could have been saved. You won't give me time, (meaning the Judge) but I'd like to have so quality time with you (meaning Cutts).

Patty Porter~ I have had the conversation with you in my head a million times. This is a day I will never forget. When I walked into that room the presence of evil was so strong, I knew Jessie never walked out of that room. I serve an amazing God that forgives and restores people. I forgive you and I hope you find faith and someday tell the truth.

Patty asks that the judge allows Bobby to be free someday.

Just wow!

Dennis Barr~ 30 years to life is along time, but Bobby will have the opportunity to visit with his family. The Davis and Porter families won’t have that opportunity. They lost a daughter, a sister and a mother. Barr wants the counts to run consecutively.

Judge imposes:
Murder charge 1 - 15 years
Murder charge 2 and 3 are merged - 30 years
Count four: Aggravated burglary! -10 years.
Count five: Gross abuse of a corpse! (Jessie) -12 months
Count six: Gross abuse of a corpse! (Baby Chloe) -12 months.
Count seven: Endangering children! (Blake) 180 days concurrently served with the felonies.

57 years to run consecutively totally.

Cutts is also responsible for court costs and fines.

I have followed this case since the day Jessie went missing. I believe Cutts should rot in hell for the rest of his days. I openly wept as Jessie’s family spoke and can’t imagine how Patty had the strength to offer Cutts forgiveness; she is a far better person than I.

I accept the Judge’s sentencing and hope and pray that Jessie and Chloe are finally at peace. donchais

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Tuesday, February 26, 2008

Bobby Cutts Sentencing Phase – Day 2

Very bad weather in Ohio today.
Jessie and Cutts’ families are all present.
Juror 631, an alternate has been excused due to a family illness.

Prosecutors will close with Barr reserving time. Defense closing will be shared by Ranke and Mack. Each side will have 45 minutes to present closing. Then jury instructions will be given.

Judge polls the jury as to whether or not they have abided by the admonishment.

Wow, none of Jessie’s family or friends is called to comment!

Mr. Barr closing. You folks are the most qualified people to render a fair sentencing. We do not take it lightly and you have taken an oath to render a fair and appropriate verdict in this case.

Yesterday you heard the mitigating factors. Your final act is to render a fair and appropriate verdict based on the law the Judge gives you.

You agreed that you would consider a death sentence on the case. You found aggravating charges beyond a reasonable doubt in this case.

You found that Bobby Cutts was the principal offender and committed murders of Jessie and Chloe.

June 14th when Bobby Cutts began his conduct that led to the death of Jessie and Chloe, he made not a single effort to save the life of his daughter.

Bobby went to college, became a police officer to serve and protect the public, not to hurt it. Renee said Bobby grew up normal; he wasn’t affected by the violence in the home. There was no child abuse.

We know he was evaluated by Dr. Fabian. He took everyone at their word. He didn’t investigate anything. How much faith can you put into Dr. Fabian's report? He only spoke to people who loved Bobby.

You saw Bobby sit in the witness stand, not under oath and beg for his life. He said he would do anything to bring Jessie and Chloe back. Really? Did you Bobby? You could have walked away, but you didn’t.

You have the mitigating factors you now will go into that room and weig those against the aggravating circumstances.

You have found beyond a reasonable doubt that he took Jessie’s life and the life of his innocent daughter, who never drew a breath outside of her mother’s womb.

Bobby Cutts deserves the maximum sentence under the law of Ohio and that would be death.

Attorney Mack: During jury selection you heard me discuss the challenge of this case and the process you went through.

You concluded that Bobby Cutts did not commit aggravated murder of Jessie Davis. But, you did find he committed aggravated murder against the fetus.

Death is inappropriate in this case. Ironically the State of Ohio is asking you to do the same thing with a death sentence.

This is not about signing a piece of paper it’s about putting someone to death.

This is not about Timothy McVeigh, Saddam Hussein, Ted Bundy, the worse of the worse.

The evidence is clear this is a situation that got out of hand. And the actions taken after made it worse.

Leaving Blake unattended is not an aggravating circumstance. Bobby is still Blake’s father.

This prosecutor wants you to put Blake’s father to death. Think about Blake. What if he has questions about his father?

Yes, Bobby told lies, but these aren’t aggravating circumstances.

You have to take all of this in context. The coroner said there was no injury to the fetus.

You know up until this point, Bobby has led a significantly law abiding life.

I hope you were moved by his apology yesterday and you had a right to hear that apology and his remorse. He acknowledges and accepts the responsibility of taking the life of Jessie and Chloe. If that doesn’t move you, than nothing will.

Good people make bad decisions and a couple of minutes redefine 30 years of being a good person.

The prosecution keeps bringing up the fact that Bobby was a police officer. He and the mother of his children got into an altercation. That is not about being a police officer.

You heard his life has meaning. You heard from his family, how the depend and rely on him. It’s not about sympathy; it’s a fact.

There no sense in shattering more lives. If you think he doesn’t feel bad about what happened, then you’re wrong.

25 years to life is appropriate here. He’ll be 55 before the parole board will even look at him. This was an isolated occurrence. There is no reason to believe this type of incident would occur again.

We respect your verdict and how difficult it was to reach.
We are asking you to find the appropriate sentence.

Attorney Ranke: Thank you for your time and effort. It’s a difficult case and we ask that you consider all of what you have heard during this case.

Your task is to weigh the mitigating factors against the aggravated circumstances.

What happened in June was awful, but that’s not all there is to Bobby Cutts. The full picture of Bobby, you didn’t know before. That’s why you heard from his family.

Bobby can still be there from Brianna, and his sister and his nephew. He can’t go check on sister but he can still provide support in a limited way.

Dr. Fabian tried to give you a full picture of Bobby. He said there was no violent tendencies. Did Dr. Fabian have to go out and verify what everybody said to him? No, you heard about it from Bobby’s family.

The absence of violence of his lifetime is something you need to consider regarding those awful events in June. There was no pattern of prior violent behavior before those horrible days in June. And we are asking that you consider that.

Your role is to determine whether those 10 days outweigh thirty years of life. We are asking you to consider that.

What does he mean to his family, his children, his friends? I’m asking you to consider that.

You heard Bobby’s remorse and how sorry he is about what happened. I am asking you to consider that and to spare his life.

Mr. Barr: It’s not about 10 days in June. It’s about a lifetime of missed opportunities for Jessie and Chloe.

Mr. Mack told your there is no reason this will happen again. No kidding, Bobby fixed that when he killed Jessie and Chloe.

He sat here and cried. He didn’t have a problem taking a life, but he wants you to save his life.

After what Blake saw, when he grows up do you think he will want Bobby as a father?

Bobby Cutts had a trial, he had a jury. Jessie and Chloe didn’t have that.

The death penalty is not reserved for the likes of “Ted Bundy or John Wayne Gacy. It can be Bobby Cutts.”

What is worse than killing a mother and your own unborn child who was 2 weeks away from being born?

Despite a good background and growing up in a good family, he chose to kill Jessie and baby Chloe and for that, you should choose a sentence of death.

Judge instructs the jury. The sentence must be unanimous and the sentence may be:

Life in prison with parole in 25 years.

Life in prison with parole in 30 years.

Life in prison with no parole.

Death penalty.

Well, it’s now in the juror’s hands.

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Monday, February 25, 2008

Bobby Cutts Sentencing Phase – Day 1

Jessie’s family is in court.
Attorneys and Cutts are present and some of the Cutts family is in the Courtroom.
Judge Brown is on the bench.

It is assumed that Cutts family members will speak on his behalf and that Cutts himself will take the stand again to plead for his life being spared.

Judge Brown is giving Cutts the charges that he was found guilty of. Cutts is stoned-faced and shows no emotion.

You have the right to appeal. Counsel will be provided without cost if you are indigent. The defense says Cutts is not indigent.

The Judge describes the procedures that will be followed. Pre-sentence report not requested by defense and no request for a mental evaluation both, could be used by the jury.

Jury is being brought into court.

Each juror has a folder that contains Preliminary Instructions, a pen and paper.

Judge polls the jury if they followed his admonishments.

Chryssa Hartnett is addressing the jury. We are here to continue our work. She is describing proof beyond a reasonable doubt. We are not retrying the case. You have already heard the testimony and seen the evidence.

You will hear much about the life of Bobby Cutts from his family. Maybe, about his upbringing. You must weigh that against the aggravating circumstances.

Hartnett calls for the death penalty.


Attorney Watson for the defense addresses the jury and asks if they can be fair in this case. Evaluate the evidence and determine the appropriate sentence in this case.

We accept and respect your verdict in this case.

We ask you to hold the state to it's burden of proof. The law itself asks for compassion and wisdom and mercy.

You need to evaluate his good deeds, his positive impact on his family.

You will hear from those who were closest to Mr. Cutts. His family, friends and colleagues.

He was gifted and talented in school. He was a good father. He was a good police officer.

You need to evaluate what is the proper sentence in this case. You will find his life is worth saving.

Very long sidebar…

State submits an exhibit and rests! Didn’t see that coming.

Cutts looking pretty pensive.

Defense calls Renee Jones. This is Bobby's mom.

She also has a daughter. She identified Cutts at the table.

Jones looks at 3 photographs and identifies them 1) Senior in high school 2) her grandchildren 3) Blake

When Bobby was a child he loved sports. He used to teach about sports. He loved to play sports and used to be the clown and have kids laughing. He was always happy.

He went to a gifted school. He got A's and B's. He was on honor roll.

He and his sister were very close. They did everything together.

He was real close to his dad. They had a falling out. Then they got close again.

During high school he played football and baseball. Everybody loved him and had a lot of friends. He sang in the church choir.

He was an ordinary kid.

After high school he had a scholarship to Walsh College. He didn't finish college because his 1st daughter was born.

There was a custody fight over Taylor. Cutts was given temporary custody.

With Blake and Brianna, he was a good father. He took them everywhere and played sports together. He was good with Blake.
Bobby was happy he had a boy.

Bobby is crying. Do we believe it's for real?

He became a police officer and I was very proud. He loved being a cop.

He used to help people. He'd take kids home at night rather than arrest them.

What impact did Bobby have on other family members? He always took charge of the situations. Nieces and nephews were crazy about him. Everybody is close to him.

Bobby became aware of the problems in your marriage. Bobby said he would never be like his father. He would never abandon his children.

Dennis Barr for the state.
You divorced your husband when Bobby was how old? 5.

Bobby didn't see any violence between you and your husband? No.

Growing up, Bobby had no mental of emotional problems?

Objection, sidebar

You took Bobby to counseling after the divorce? Yes.
He went for a couple of months.

Bobby did well in high school? Yes.

You aware he flunked algebra twice? No.

You love your grandchildren? Yes.

You love Blake? Yes.

You would have loved Chloe? If she was my grandbaby.

You heard in court that she was Bobby's. Objection...Sustained.

No further questions.

Watson: Prosecutors asked about your relationship with your husband? Yes.

Bobby never saw any of the violence.

Witness excused.

Defense attorney Mack calls Kathleen Purdy. She works for the public school as a teacher and taught Bobby Cutts.

She identifies Cutts in the court.

She taught Bobby in 4th grade. He was a very responsive student. He was optimistic and a hard worker. He enjoyed recess. I was quite impressed.

His attitude to authority was always good. His nickname was "Gobble".

He peers saw him as a buddy and a friend. If he had to tell on them they were fine with that.

Academically, he could achieve high grades.

She went to a baseball game and met his father and mother at the game.

She saw him through the other 3 years at that school.

She attended his graduation.

She maintained a relationship with him through college and after he became a police officer, he came and spoke to her class.

Once he became a police officer he would come back to the school? Yes. He would also come back to drop off tickets for sports events for kids who were well in class.

Would he take students to see certain court proceedings? No.

Her husband had leukemia and he passed away. Bobby called her and left a message to she how she adjusting and getting along. Even Bobby's folks sent a card.

Sidebar

Tell me are you aware of how significant you have been in Mr. Cutts' life? Yes, I believe in teaching the whole person. I believe I have been a mentor.

Done, state has no questions.

Witness excused.

Next defense witness is Next witness Devonna Cutts, Bobby's sister.

She identifies Cutts.

She and Bobby are 4 years apart. As kids, Bobby would tell her what to do. She played basketball and ran track. Bobby would come to her games. He would push her in sports and school.

After your parents divorce what was your relationship with your father? It wasn't really a relationship. Bobby stepped up and acted like a dad.

She talked about problems with Bobby. He wasn't happy when she got pregnant. Her son is named Robert. Bobby was disappointed that she was pregnant and was upset with her. He wanted more for her, but then he came around and bought the first "everything" for the baby.

Bobby is a good dad to his 2 daughters. They have a good relationship with him.

She says Bobby is a good dad to Blake. Blake always wanted to be with Bobby. She would have to bribe him with food to get him to stay with her.

Bobby helped her with Robert because her husband was in jail. If Robert was misbehaving, Bobby would straighten him out.

Robert talks to Bobby on the phone and has seen him in jail a couple times.

When she lived on her own, Bobby used to come by and check on them.

Bobby has always been there for me. We've always been close. He's always been concerned about me.

No further questions. No questions from the state.

Witness excused.

Next witness is Lamar Sharp? (missed the name)

They met 9 years ago. They both took the police exam together. They are good friends.

He says Bobby is a very silly guy. Real funny and full of life. They played semi pro ball together.

As a police officer Bobby never took any real serious. There was always a lighter side to it.

He saved someone's life who was about to jump off a bridge.

He says Cutts is a good police officer.

Bobby is the type of person who would be there for you.

Their kids know each other. He was a good father to his children.
Their families would socialize.

Watson, joking with Sharp, asked if Bobby ever beat him in X-Box video games. Sharp, reluctantly, says yes. Watson laughed._Sharp say it not uncommon for police officers to visit other people to play video games or relax on lunch breaks.

Bobby is a good guy, we always joke with each other.

We kinda have a bond.

Did Bobby save your life? We confronted a suspect who was shooting a gun in the air. He tried to leave in the car and Bobby got him out of the way of the guy’s car.

Bobby always does a lot of coaching in the community for kids.

No further questions.

Hartnett says you said it’s not uncommon to go to somebody's house at lunchtime? Right.

It is uncommon to stay for several hours though, right? You have to check in and ask for lunch break.

You weren't there when Bobby stopped the person from jumping off the bridge? No, I wasn't

Where you aware that Mr. Cutts got reprimanded for putting his hand over someone's mouth?

Objection!

Disregard.

No further questions.

Witness dismissed.

Next witness is Larry Davidson. Cutts is his cousin. He identifies Cutts in court.

Larry says Bobby is like his brother. They attended school together. They had a lot of fun growing up. They remain close as adults.

Larry closer to Bobby than anybody else. They spoke 4-5 times a week.

Larry says Bobby is a good father. The kids loved their dad. They always listened to him.


Mother and sister love and look up to Bobby.

Carlotta is Larry's sister and she is close to Bobby also.

Since June you haven't been able to do some of things you used to do? Yes its like a big piece of my heart is gone. I try to find other things to do. Things haven’t been the same. It hurts.

All done; witness dismissed.

Witness up next is Jennifer Peterson. She identifies Cutts in the court.

They were coworkers at the Home Energy Assistance Program. Cutts worked there in the winter when he was off-duty.

She told him that she likes football and knew he played ball. She met Bobby's mom.

She is still friends with Bobby; she was sending cards to Bobby's family and had them delivered to Bobby. She writes to Bobby in jail once a week. Was sending words of encouragement.

She was hit by a drunk driver who drove her to another town and dumped her in a field. She suffered multiple, severe, permanent injuries. She was bedridden so he pleaded out because she couldn't attend the hearings.

She was angry with the drunk driver, but has since forgiven him.

She told that story with Bobby so he would understand she could see both sides of the incident. He was appreciative that she told him. She shared that story with Bobby 4 days ago.

She wanted Bobby to understand how powerful forgiveness is.

She says Bobby misses his family very much. He has caused them pain. He knows he made a mistake.

No further questions.

State has no questions.

Witness dismissed.

Judge asks to see counsel for sidebar.

Defense calls Bobby Cutts, Sr.

He identifies his son in court.

His relationship with Bobby as a child was great. He was a wonderful child.

The divorce was because he was drinking and gambling. Bobby probably was aware of some of the violence. He didn't like it.

Bobby was active in sports. The dad coached baseball for 12 years and took Bobby to the games.

As Bobby got older he became his own man, but if he needed advice, he knew I was there.

All the kids looked up to him and his accomplishments.

Bobby means the world to me. His heart is so open. He would give you the shirt off his back.

State asks about the problems between he and Renee. There was domestic violence. Yes.

Child abuse? Never.

Witness released.

Next witness Kelly Schaub. This is Bobby's ex-wife.

She met Bobby the summer of 2000. They'd she each other out and started talking and it grew into a relationship. She was pregnant and owned a house. So Bobby moved in.

She was worried about her parents because of the race issue, Kelly is white and they weren't married.

Bobby met Kelly's parents and they got along very well.

They married right after Brianna was born.

Kelly knew about Taylor before they started dating.

Bobby was a good father with Taylor. He spent as much time with her as he could.

Taylor's mother left the state to escape Bobby. She says Bobby has a darker side.

When Brianna was born, he took care of her when Kelly was working. He'd get her up and feed and bathe her.

He was a good father to both girls. Taylor was older and Bobby was always asking about what she was doing in school.

2001, he started as a police officer. That led to side jobs.
Did you have fights about how much he worked?

Did he take good care of you financially? Yes.
Brianna? Yes.
Taylor? Yes when he could.

As a family, he would always want to take trips to the park.

Bobby was great with the kids in the community. He did a lot of coaching. He played sports with the kids.

Bobby was proud to be Blake's father.

She remains friends with Bobby today. She and Brianna visit Bobby in jail. Brianna misses her dad. She is very close to Bobby.

Even in jail he fathers her. He asks what she learned at school. Who she plays with? Yes.

He stills smiles and laughs with her.

Kelly says she still wants Cutts to be in Brianna's life.

Her relationship with Bobby has grown during this time. They talk about faith and church together.

No further questions.

Hartnett asks how Bobby likes to spend time with Brianna and he did everything you asked with her. He never left Brianna alone for long periods of time, like he did with Blake? No.

Your heard Bobby's testimony of the sequence of events? Yes.

And isn't it true...Objection, sidebar.

No further questions.

Mack asks what were her thoughts about Bobby leaving Blake alone. I thought he would never do something like that.

So in all those years of parenting, he never did anything like that? No.

Witness dismissed.

Defense calls Dr. John Fabian. He is a clinical psychologist as well as a forensic psychologist.

He is giving his CV.

This ought to be a pip when he gets to Cutts' evaluation.

Fabian has served as a mitigation witness 40-50 times to offer testimony.

Mitigation usually works for the defense because the prosecution has aggravated circumstances to their benefit. Mitigation is part of the state statute.

He is not here to support Cutts, but to provide the jury with facts about Cutts' background, the crime and Cutt's state of mind in order to help the jury reach their sentencing.

Cutts had a prior evaluation for the custody case. Both he and Nikki were evaluated in Taylor's case.

He interviewed Cutts and his family and reviewed the type of violence in this case and put Bobby through some tests.

Do you have an opinion as to mitigating factors...Objection, sidebar

BTW, this day is all about Cutts. Jessie's family will only get to speak once the jury makes a decision as to the sentence.

Cutts Sr. had gambling and drinking issues and abuse of his wife that led to divorce and estrangement from the children.

Those issues affect the children who have witnessed them.

Bobby struggled with the estranged relationship with his father. Today the relationship is still damaged.

Bobby disclosed that he didn't want to be like his father. He didn't want to divorce and he wanted to be active in his children's lives more than his father was in his.

There is no prior history of violent behavior.

The testing that was done on Bobby showed no history of mental illness.

There was no indication of mental impairment.

He does have elevated level anxiety scale and violence or aggressive behavior level scale. Neither were that high.

He testifies that there is no prior violent history in Cutts.

Based on all of his findings Fabian does not believe Cutts presents any likely hood of violent behavior.

Fabian says that Bobby doesn't present with a future violent behavior activity issue.

Bobby is not considered anti-social or a psychopathic from his history.

He is considered to be reactive in terms of what happened with Jessie. It is not chronic.

Barr on cross...
You provide the tests and a report? Yes.
You don't provide mitigating factors, that's up to the jury? Correct.

Did you verify the police reports? No.
Do you have the ability to do that? That's provided by counsel.

Cutts was pretty successful up to this point in his life? Yes.

Reactive violence can lead to murder? Yes.

Is part of your report based on his positive behavior in the jail? That would be part of it.

You are aware that Cutts is not the general public of the jail, that he is segregated? Yes.

Wouldn't you say that would affect his behavior in jail? Yes.

Barr is tearing Fabian up on the lies Cutts told, the fact that he participated in the search and didn't tell police where the body was. That he is a liar yet; he believed what Bobby told him in interviews.

You saw his personnel file from the police department? Yes.

Your report says he has an unblemished personnel record. Yes.

He is shown a document that shows the incident where Cutts was reprimanded.

So that could be considered a blemish on his record? It could be.

Inflated self-esteem, grandiosity and high opinion of self-abilities are shown in the report. Yikes!

Wow, Barr really did his homework on Fabian's report!

No further questions.

Ranke~ Cutts doesn't have any personality disorders? Correct.

Reactive violence isn't just related to murder, it could be manslaughter, right? Yes.

Cutts told you what he did in this case? Yes. Most homicides the person doesn't admit to the murder until further along.

Do you believe Mr. Cutts has been untruthful with you? No, he has admitted to this all along.

Did you make a finding that Mr. Cutts would be a low risk for future violent behavior? Correct.

No further questions.

Barr wants to know if Fabian knew of other sexual partners. He knew of Stephanie, but you have no others in your report? No, I don't

The job of a police officer is stressful? Correct. They get called names? Yes.

You knew Bobby lied to the police? Yes.
Did you ever buy a house? Yes.
Did you take the home oweners word on everything? No.

Because it's good to verify things? Yes.

Ranke~ Did you believe Bobby was deceptive to you? No. I think he was being pretty honest with me.

Witness dismissed.

Cutts on the stand!

Cutts apologizes for reading a statement. He doesn't want to loose his words. He wanted to go to college. He wanted to be mayor.
He had a child so he decided to take responsibility. He instilled that in Brianna and in Blake.

He always loved being around and working with kids.

He cannot explain what happened in June. It's a nightmare that will haunt me all of my days. Words can't explain the death of Jessie and my unborn daughter.

I am so sorry for Patty and Mr. Davis and ask forgiveness for the pain I caused you and the rest of your family.

I apologize to the community.

I apologize and ask forgiveness for what I did to Blake. I thank god for taking care of Blake all those long hours.

He apologizes to his family and friends. To Myisha and her family.

I hope to maintain a relationship with my family and my children.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'm asking you to spare my life.

I have absolutely no compassion for this pond scum. He's really playing to the jury. He must have a cold again because I don't see any tears.

Jury is given a packet similar to the package to the one when deliberations began. They need to bring their luggage tomorrow. The prosecution will offer their closing tomorrow and you will then begin sentencing deliberation.

Jury needs to be in the jury area at 8:15am.
Judge reads the admonishment and releases the jury for day.

Well that’s it till tomorrow!

Friday, February 22, 2008

Spector & the "Child Bride" on the Red Carpet

Updated!



TMZ.com is reporting:
Wearing a modified "Golden Girl" chestnut brown wig, lady killer Phil Spector, 68, perkily appeared at a red carpet event in Beverly Hills this week with his living 27-year-old blonde wife, Rachelle -- who happens to look shockingly like the late Lana Clarkson. He's unbeweaveable! He's got killer taste in blondes!

We've all seen Rachelle Short's inappropriate behavior and attire in the courtroom, ~looks like the child bride is still stuck on cheap gold lame~ so this latest stunt by the bought and paid for spouse comes as no surprise. Man! Those chicklets sure do take up some space on the photo don't they? Rachelle, I recommend you go back to your fix-it dentist and get a redo.

Special thanks to kathlb for the heads up on this story!

Update: 7:11 pm

OMG! Michelle at MControl Blogs has some links up on her site! They are photographs of Rachelle's "somewhat" tasteful T&A shots that you can find here and also a calendar, here.

Thursday, February 21, 2008

Drew Peterson: Kathleen Savio's Death Ruled a Homicide!


This news is just in. Kathleen Savio's death has been reclassified as a homicide.

MyFoxChicago
is reporting:
Will County States Attorney James Glasgow announced today that his office has received the final report on the autopsy performed on the remains of Kathleen S. Savio on Nov. 13, 2007.

Dr. Larry W. Blum, the forensic pathologist who performed the autopsy, concludes in his report that the actual cause of Kathleen Savio's death was drowning and that the legal manner of death was homicide. Dr. Blum's report was delivered to the Will County Coroners Office on Thursday, Feb. 21, 2008 and immediately forwarded to the Will County States Attorneys Office and the Illinois State Police.

Fox is also reporting that a Grand Jury has been investigating the disappearance of Drew Peterson's fourth wife, Stacy, as well as the death of Kathleen Savio since November, 2007.

Donchais says, "The fact that this scumbag is still walking the streets just boggles the mind." Now that the cororner's office is finally calling Kathleen's death murder, how long is it going to take to get Peterson arrested? Come on grand jury! This should be the last piece of evidence you need to hand down an indictment.


Jensen Guilty and Jurors Speak

Jurors inteview:

None of them believed Aaron Dillard. His statements had minimal weight. Past initial statement on crystals, they didn't buy anything he said. They don't believe Julie died by suffocation! Only EG. (That's really interesting!)


Mark didn't get her help!

They laugh about the toxicologists.

Markie did himself in and Ratzburg's interview did the trick!

He cooked his own goose!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ha! It was Mark who convinced them the most. I love that. True justice is sweet!

The jury foreman said the jury was pushed over the edge with the penis and vagina comparisons.

Said that Mark looking at them in the jury box creeped them out.

Mark in court and on video was cold and unemotional.

Wow, the jury liked Albee very much! They felt that if they were ever in trouble, they would want Albee representing them. They also said that both attorneys did a very good job and were very professional. They loved Judge Schroeder.

Foreperson says the splitting off of the 7 alternates was like saying goodbye to family. They will have a reunion very soon. All the alternates agreed with the guilty vote.

Thanks ritanita and LinZbee!

Well folks, thats it. It was a long and winding road and we hope you enjoyed the coverage!

As an aside, the jury foreman was an engineering assistant, and the alternate who spoke out for guilty was an engineer.
donchais

See you at the Cutts mitigation on Monday!

CNN.Crime


Jensen Murder Trial Verdict

Holy cow, verdict is in!!!!! Will be read in 8 minutes.

I knew it would be today!

They have removed Mark's handcuffs and leg irons.


GUILTY!!!
Justice for Julie's family!


Mark looks like he's gonna cry! He looks like a deer caught in the headlights! His mom looks dumbfounded!

Judge Schroeder thanks the jury!

Per Jambois, revoke bail now. Would like Jensen sentenced now. Sentence would be life in prison. Until the children are notified, the Judge states that he will hold off sentencing
till next week. We will have a sentencing date tomorrow!

CNN.Crime


Mark Jensen Murder Trial: Deliberations Day Three

Day 32 - 2/21/08

Update 2!
Verdict watch: Deliberations Day Three

9 :10 am
The jury wants Aaron Dillard statement written by Gretchen Rosenke, however, the Judge strikes her name and writes in ASST. DA, Ms. Gabriele.

Albee argues that the Jury will be confused that Rosenke has been stricken. Judge tells Albee tough, the jury is intelligent.

The attorneys want to go back to the hotel and the judge says no, he wants them in the courthouse. If the jury orders food, he will let them go back to the hotel.

Stay tuned!

Commentary Update: 10:30 am
Sprocket here. What the fork is up with the WISN cameraman? Why the quick roller coaster ride around the courtroom every once in a while? donchais thinks it's an actual "service" to us because he's letting us all know he's awake and that we're still really in court.

Donchais would really like him to put up a sign every once in a while, like, "Nothing new here!" Or maybe a weather report, or any silly sign just to entertain her. I guess all those tips in The Verdict Watch Handbook for Dummies haven't helped.

So tell us, how is everyone else staying "sane" out there while we all wait for a verdict? Here's something donchais wanted to share with everyone on jury watch with us.

Update 2: 1:25pm
The jury wants Margaret and Ted Vojt's statements and transcripts. They are not in evidence so the jury can't get them.

CNN.Crime

CNN In Session Sidebar

A Public Service Announcement For All Trial Watchers




Cleaning Tips:


Pour Pine Sol in the toilet, let sit a bit, then flush. Smells just like you cleaned it.

Candles help also.

Walk around with a can of Pledge and spray it in the air.

Fabric sheet in the pillowcase, they will think you did the sheets.

Slide cat across table to dust with one hand while typing with the other.

Dash around every few minutes with a cardboard box and put the junk that's laying around in it. Hide the box in the closet when finished. The house will not be clean, but nobody will notice because they can walk from one room to another without tripping. After six months, take all items not missed and have a yard sale.

Leave the vacuum in the middle of the living room. It looks like you just finished cleaning in there.

Close the curtains and keep the lights off or very low. Folks won't see the cobwebs.

Buy only light-colored furniture. It doesn't show the dust.

Tell people you are "antiquing" your windows.

If it’s snowing and you need to shovel the walkway....put a lot of salt down that usually does the trick. The minute the snow hits it, it melts.

Buy a Roomba, great invention. Turn it on and it will vacuum and scrub your floors all the while you are trial and verdict watching.

How to Cancel Appointments and Avoiding Those Pesky Real-life Intrusions:

Tell your hairdresser your hair forgot to grow this month

A good general reason is that your garage-door opener doesn't work and you can't get out.

Call and "check" on your appointment by saying, "Hello, this is ... I'm calling to confirm your appointment with me for next Tuesday at 10." When they say the appointment is tomorrow, tell them they made a mistake.

Keep your doors locked and the lights off. Nobody knows you are home. Also, tell family and friends, you forgot to put your phone on the charger.

If you have to answer that persistent ringing phone, use an accent and pretend to be the hired help.

Put the following message on your answering machine, "I am in the midst of important jurisprudence. Leave your name and number and my law clerk will return your message.

Tell friends, I'd love to have lunch with you, but I'm legally bound to my computer.

Meals and Munchies at the Computer:


Snacks:

A cooler full of your favorite beverages next to your computer desk can also double as an ottoman.

Place a paper towel over your keyboard while eating juicy fruits.

Fun size candy bars are imperative, as are cookies, chips and dips, and Little Debbie’s!

Oscar Meyers has those new Deli Fresh Sandwiches, which come with everything for a really good sandwich.

Feeding the Family:

Easy dinners; basically a listing of all local carry-out restaurants.

If you feel you must actually feed the family a decent meal that is why crock pots were invented, for trial and verdict watchers.

Get up, throw roast, potatoes, and veggies in crock pot and dinner is done.

On the weekend, when the trial is on hiatus, make crock pot meals to feed an army. Ya, you'll being eating the same stuff, night-after-night, but what the hell, it's a hot meal!

If you have a friend close by that is into trials and verdicts also. One of you can make a crock pot of pasta, the other a crock pot of chili, and then the next day swap leftovers, and they will think you made a new meal.

Or on cold, chilly nights take 6 cans of Campbell’s Hearty Chicken Noodle Soup (not the original red can stuff) open up, and put in large simmer pot about an hour or so before anyone is to walk through the door. When they come in they will think you made homemade Chicken Soup. Works, every time!!!!!

Peapod delivers groceries.

Hygiene:

Thank God for Lisa Nowak, nutty astronaut, for teaching us about space diapers, they come in handy for verdict watching also.

Keep a tin of Altiods on the computer desk.

For Unhappy Spouses:

Would you prefer I go out and play in traffic?

I could be surfing for porn!

At leas you know I'm not having an affair!

I could be shopping!

Did you notice I ironed your tie?

Tell you what, you clean your room, I'll clean mine!

I just bought you 30 new pairs of underwear.

Turn your socks inside-out tomorrow.

Addendum: How to handle Family Complaints: Tips that work for kathlb!

"There's nothing wrong with cold pizza, it builds jaw muscles."

"Quit complaining, you have it easy, in my day I had to mow the whole south 40 with a push mower after school. Now warm up some canned soup and count your blessings."

"I didn't forget to pay the light bill, I'm teaching the kids to value today's perks. Besides candlelight becomes me."

"If God had wanted me to clean all the time, he would have installed a Dust Buster in my butt."

"I turned down that dating site's invitation, the free membership to the online shopper's club and gave up my seat at the online gambling poker table. What more do you want of me?"

I would have done the laundry, but I turned my ankle while picking up your dirty socks and underwear off the floor and haven't been able to move from this computer chair all day due to the pain."


Brought to you with a wink by, bchand, SKelly63, ritanita, Xspectorant and donchais!

Wednesday, February 20, 2008

Mark Jensen Murder Trial: Deliberations Day Two

Day 31 - 2/20/08

Update 5!
Verdict watch: Deliberations Day Two
The jurors are back hard at work. We've heard nary a peep out of them this morning. This is a stark difference from all the requests the court had yesterday. They've been deliberating about two hours so far this morning, and we continue to wait.

Just to recap for you, here is Intrepid's list of all the exhibits the jurors asked for yesterday:

Ed Klug's testimony at forfeiture hearing in August 2007
Letter from Jambois to Albee, redacted
Aaron Dillard's letter
Transcript of Mark's interview with Det. Ratzburg up to Page 140
Julie Jensen's Autopsy photos
Photo of post-it note in Mark Jensen's planner
Mark and Julie's day planners
Stiffel memo in Mark's handwriting, "Note to school" found in garbage at Stiffel/Nic
Prison note found in toilet
Notes from Julie's log
Photo of Julie in bed
Julie's letter (given to the neighbor)
1991 divorce papers
The photos taken 12/3
April 1999 interview Mark Jensen, redacted
Blank calendar November and December
Julie's resume
Temporary net files
PowerPoint of internet files
Julie’s medical records
E-mails from Mark & Kelly
Letter from Dillard to lawyer, redacted
Julie’s transcripts from school
Evidence from the October, November and December Calendars - redacted (we're not sure about this one)

Stick with us everyone. We will bring you the latest as soon as something happens in the courtroom.

Update: 11:06 am
The jurors are asking for more evidence.

Here is a list complied by ritanita, as to what the jury is asking for now:

Julie's log (phone logs)
Ameritech letters (these were "loose items" removed earlier )
Friend's friendship calendar from Dr. Spiro's cross. (Never into evidence. Can't be used.)

And that's it. We're back to watching the clock. Oops! Not done yet. It's Albee again! Albee asks that the jurors should be told they should be informed that they are free to go past 5 if they want to.

Jambois feels that we should not interfere with jury deliberations.

Albee feels each member should be able to say "enough" when they want. Albee is still trying to second guess what is in the thought of jurors, who might be older and unable to put in a full day of deliberations.

ritanita: He's really pushing for an accident!

Judge Schroeder disagrees, and goes back to explain his experience in prior juries. He does not join in Albee's fear at all.

Albee still comes back with more argument, feeling that each individual juror should have an option to stop deliberations after 8-9 hours. "They shouldn't be at the mercy of the majority."

Judge Schroeder still disagrees. Judge slams on the "older" comment. There is no prohibition to getting notes from different jurors. He's never, ever heard that a juror was held against their will! They went this whole trial, and not once, not a single time late with all 19 jurors.

And then we lost the feed.

Per Jean Casarez:

Ameritech communications.
Telephone logs kept by Julie from 1991-1998
Friendship calendar (denied)
Mark Jensen's medical reports
All of the toxicology reports

I'm not really sure "when" this was argued, but ritanita grabbed it so I know this was discussed:

Dr. Borman's letter re: Mark Jensen was admitted with Julie's but were not sent back.

Albee objects. Borman didn't have enough examination about them.

Judge says he had the chance to do so.

Albee says they are illegible.

Judge.. you didn't say that yesterday about Julie's records!

Thanks ritanita!

Update: 11:45 am
Jambois is going over the tox. reports. He and Albee disagree. St. Katherine's lab mention minerals in vitreous humor.
Photograph of bottle containing Julie's gastric contents.

Jambois wants them, Albee doesn't consider them toxicology reports.

Judge: Dr. Rumack id’d vitreous as a central ingredient to check and Dr. Mainland disagreed with that. If your own expert agreed that this is something the jury must consider, necessity must allow it.

Judge's line of the day... to Albee...

"You have a bushel of apples discussed yesterday and comparing them to the bushels of oranges discussed today."

A chemistry panel must be considered as part of a chemical opinion. The judge quotes Dr. Rumack to Albee again! Albee says Rumack said there are no toxic chemicals in the vitreous humor!

The judge says they ask for "all of it" and they'll get "all of it."

Albee is asked by Jambois if he wants to make a Venn Diagram!

The photo of the gastric contents isn't going in!

Jury has passed the 18-hour mark for deliberations... LinZbee

Update: 3:22 pm
This update courtesy ritanita, donchais, intrepid:

Latest request:

Therese DeFazio's statement - but it wasn't received in evidence so it doesn't go to them

Albee renews his request that the judge tell the jurors - each individual juror! - they can call it a day when they want to.

Jambois disagrees. Says, "Leave 'em alone".

Judge said, "well if they were taking evidence they wouldn't be able to say, 'well, let's go home'". Judge says he's confident that if anyone feels "opressed" they will let him know.

ritanita: I'm sick and damned tired of whiny baby Craig Albee.

Judge asks them to stay in the building in case of question or verdict, and he's scared of the media! The judge is lonely there!

Jambois wants dinner, though!

LinZbee: Judge is reminding Albee how long the average work week was in the olden days - 60 hours average. Get over, it Craig!

Xspectorant: Yep! Another night wasted for Jamb and Albee. No steaks, wine and cuban cigars for dinner tonight!!!

bchand: Can't you just see MJ laughing along with them all, as if he's a normal human being? Yuck..


Update: 4:15 pm
donchais here

At 6:05 pm, CST the jury sent a note to Judge Schroeder saying they want to leave at 7pm and return at 8:30 tomorrow!

They say they have made progress! Whoopie!

The Judge will bring the jury in for the usual admonishment before they leave.

Stay tuned!

Update: 5:10 pm
donchais here

Judge releases the jury with admonishment. Alternates are still with us. Return at 8:30 am CST, tomorrow!

Woohoo! East coast folks, get to bed early tonight!

Sleep tight all you trial junkies!


WISN Live Feed to the courtroom.



Possible Madeleine McCann Sighting?

There is a new sighting that supposedly occurred Friday, February 15th, in southern France.

RTE News is reporting:
A Dutch student says she believes she saw missing British toddler Madeleine McCann at a roadside restaurant in southern France last week.

A police source close to the investigation said the woman had no physical evidence to back up her claim.

However security video footage from the restaurant near Sete was being examined for any sign of the missing girl.

And the French police are investigating a suspected sighting of Madeleine McCann at a restaurant in the south of France.

A Dutch student spotted a blonde girl bearing a resemblance to the missing four-year-old near Montpellier last Friday.

Melissa Fiering, 18, claims she saw Madeleine with a man at the L'Arche motorway service station restaurant.

The girl had Madeleine's distinctive 'cat-like' iris in her eye, she said.


CNN has a video report on this possible sighting with McCann family spokesperson, Clarence.

CNN.World's latest report on Madeleine.

Tuesday, February 19, 2008

Mark Jensen Murder Trial: Deliberations Continue

Day 30 - 2/19/08

Update 2!
Has anyone out there ever seen a jury go this many hours in a single day? Not a single one of the T&T trial watchers here, can remember ever seeing anything like this happen before. So now, we have formed a phone tree to wake each other up around the clock.

It's almost crazy isn't it? It's like they don't want to stop. Many of our dear friends are starting to worry that there is a holdout on the jury. Could we have another Spector type situation on our hands? We are on pins and needles as to what this jury is going to do. Will they come to a verdict tonight? Will Schroeder experience again, a lost juror situation? Will donchais wake up tomorrow? Stay tuned!

Update: 9:11 pm.
The jury is going to go home, and wants to get a fresh start tomorrow. Jambois and Albee agree to send the jury home. Albee requests that the alternates be kept separate from the actual jurors. Schroeder decides to put the alternates outside the jury box.

Now, the judge has just pulled both attorneys to the bench. The situation about what to do with the alternates is still not resolved. The audio has been cut. We have no idea which way the court is leaning on the alternates.

The side bar is about several jurors have to travel a long distance, the court was going to put them up over night. They are ensuring that the hotels that the jurors are offered is not the same as the one's the counsel are in. The judge is concerned about the safety of the jurors driving home tonight.

Albee is concerned about supervision of the jurors, and that they might be staying where media is also staying. Judge Schroeder believes the jurors will respect their instructions.

Update: 9:22 pm
Jenson has a smirk on his face watching the jury be seated. Jury is instructed that they can not discuss the case other than when all twelve are in the jury room. Jury can vote on their arrival time tomorrow. The jurors are being offered hotels if they want them rather than driving home. 9 am? 9:30 am? It will be 9:30 am. Any questions anybody? Enjoy your evening. Schroeder tells the attorneys that they have to be there.

What does this mean? Do we have another Juror #10? Let's pray we get a verdict tomorrow.


CNN.Crime

Today's TMJ4

Mark Jensen Murder Trial

Day 30/ - 2/19/08

Update 9!
The juror’s numbers have been placed in a drum and one by one they are picking numbers of who will stay and who will be released.

Judge is giving further jury instruction.

Homicide in the 1st degree if guilty, must be unanimous.

The 7 members will be held in a different room during deliberations in case an alternate is needed.

The lawyers watch with great interest, who leaves the jury.

Jensen looks to the jury box.

Bailiffs being sworn.

Jury taken to the jury room! It's all up to them now!

Lawyers are reading the final instructions. They have till 10am for any objections.

Judge says the attorneys should be able to reach the court in 20 minutes for jury questions, etc.

Jensen has to be shaking in his boots, although he and Albee are laughing about something.

Judge has attorneys sign the official exhibit list.

Schroeder says the bailiff is making a list of evidence the jury want. One of the lawyers says, "Already?"

Judge is turning the courtroom back over to the Judge who normally presides here.

Jury is made up of 7 women 5 men.

So, it’s a waiting game now!

Update: 9:30am
Bailiffs shoo Judge out of the hall when jury is around. 2 bailiffs are sitting in chairs outside the jury room.

The bailiffs are being called in one at a time, to tell the court what the jury has been asking about post trial media interviews.

Albee: We are talking to the media about interviews. What has the jury been told?

Jury was told that if they wanted to speak to the media it's up to them. That is this court's sop.

No further questions.

They don't need the other bailiff to come in.

Going over the exhibit list.

Albee doesn't want Ed Klug's 2007 testimony let in.
If the jury asks for it, the court will deal with it at that time.

Albee has another 4-5 he doesn't want in.

Basically, anything the lawyers disagree on, Judge will delay ruling unless the jury specifically asks for it.

We're back concerning exhibits to be sent to the jury.

Ed Klug's testimony at forfeiture hearing.
Some redacted calendars... showing dates of various items not introduced into testimony... ex: Mark wasn't in Columbus where indicated. 9/11, Jensen in St. Louis... no testimony... no problem with Dec. October... 10/29 "I do love you bar? 13 & 14 Mark in St. Louis... no evidence to that.

Defense opposes these items

Judge agrees that they can't go in if there is no testimony to support the evidence.

CD's, DVD, videos - are in agreement they don't go back.
CD's of jail phone calls... agreed they don't go back
Both parties also oppose the unredacted letter from Jambois to Albee...redacted letter can go in

Anything with a Letter designation will not go back. Judge withholds decision...

Aaron Dillard letter... Albee opposes. There are portions not read. Judge withholds decision...

Dillard's probation violations... Jambois objects

Transcript of recorded interview to p. 140 - agreed it goes to the jury. Judge says if it goes to jury, they can read the entire thing and that it is stipulated that it is an accurate transcript. No objections. Judge says OK.

Pros. doesn't want Spiro's report to go back because it contains inadmissible hearsay! Only conclusions, please!

Albee wants it in. Realizes it needs redaction.

Judge is commenting on this.

Judge discussing "alternate" jurors.

Some of the testimony included could bias the jury one way or another towards a verdict. If they lose a juror and they start over with an alternate...

I'm not quite getting the point... but it seems that the lawyers are gauging what the jury is thinking based on what they've asked for.

Judge tells attys. what the jury asked to see.

1. Ed Klug notes
2.. Ed Klug trans
3. Autopsy pix
4. photo of post it note in planner
5. Mark and Julie's day planners
6. Stifel memo found in garbage
7. Prison note found in toilet
8. notes (2) from her log

Albee asks that if they send back photo of post-it-note, send back ALL photos in case.

Albee & Jambois are discussing the evidence the jury wants to see. The judge told them to call him when they were ready.

We see the seconds tick by on the clock.

Loose items from #239 are being removed from the day planner.

Disagreement with leather pouch in which the pocket daytime was place. It has loose papers in it. Albee opposes it going back. The daytime itself was admitted, the rest wasn't. Jambois points out notation of Christmas 1998 and things to by go to testimony by Laura that Julie hadn't planned holiday, Paul had said he received gifts.

Albee: loose items and leather cover wasn't specifically admitted into evidence.

Judge says it was inside the day timer.

Albee says "loose items" were omitted during testimony. Judge decides that it can go in.

Albee whines... "loose items aren't going in...he assumes it's not part of the case.

Judge hollers that he decides what is a "loose" item. He considers Ameritech letters loose items.

(Hey, the arguing ain't over yet!)

The list goes to the jury!

Albee objects that the jury is receiving items not in evidence. The actual day timer itself is bound. Judge says Albee didn't give specific objection at the time, and Albee would have lost the argument about the list that corroborates testimony.

Albee goes on about loose pages from the log, he separately marked it....

Repeats his definition of "loose evidence."

Judge isn't buying it!

This is just crazy how long this arguing is going on! This should have been done and finalized a while ago.

Finally, they are done, but we still don’t have a decision on the alternate jurors!

Update: 1:00pm
The Judge has kept all seven alternates sequestered in a different room.

So far today, these are additional items the jury has asked to see:
Photo of Julie in bed
Julie's letter
1991 divorce papers
The photos taken 12/3
April 1999 interview Mark Jensen interview (redacted version)

Officer Reilly report (was not received into evidence) jury will have to rely on the testimony instead and their collective memory.


Blank calendar November and December. (The large one used by Albee)
Guess they are trying to figure out what day of the week certain things happened back in '98.

Seems like the jury is working pretty hard and pretty fast!

Update: 3:05pm
Jury wants:

Julie's resume
Temporary net files

The attorneys want to vote. Schroeder says if the jury wants to stay, they can't leave.

A note is sent to the jury asking:
Do you want to end the day now?
Do you want food brought in and keep deliberating?
Just keep deliberating and no food?

Jury answers back, they would like food brought in and they wish to deliberate till 8pm CST!

The Judge apologizes, but the attorneys cannot leave to go vote!

While we are on jury watch, Intrepid has found a You Tube video for everyone to watch to pass the time.
Sprocket


Update: 3:50pm
Another jury request:

PowerPoint of internet files (summary pages to be removed)
Julie’s medical records
Dr. Borman’s summary, as interpreted by Albee, will not be included

Update: 5:20pm
Jury requests:

Emails from Mark and Kelly
Dillard’s letter to his attorney (only portions were read into evidence will be given and the rest redacted!

Man, these guys are just chewing through evidence!

Judge asks the attorneys to remain in the building for the next hour.

Judge is not committed to 8pm without the alternates issue being resolved.

This whole alternate thing is about to have the lid blow off!

Update: 6:03pm
Jury now wants to see:

Julie’s transcripts from school, W. Parkside (college records)s
An additional item was asked for, not sure what it was.

Jambois asks if the judge is going to send note to the jury to see if they are done for the evening. Judge says premature at this point as they have just asked for more evidence!

Update: 7:10 pm
Sprocket here. I come back from FedEx and the post office, and this jury is STILL going strong! And they are still requesting exhibits! I'm blown away by how dedicated these juries are in the heartland. I think we are quite spoiled out here in Cali, with courts ending at 4:00 or 4:30 pm.

Here are some thoughts by some of our dearest friends who are on verdict watch with me and donchais.

Skelly63: Can you imagine seriously, how drained all the parties have to be? And it's not like they live down the block from the courthouse, they have a good drive home, and it's bitterly cold, etc. I feel for them all. What could they possibly get from her high school records?

Xspectorant:
I hope they're not trying to perform an amateur psychological autopsy.

Intrepid:
The jury must have told the judge they wanted to keep at it - he would have come back and began the Extra Jurors battle already if they hadn't......

Officially, they've been deliberating now for about 11 1/2 hours, less breaks and meals. I think they started at 9, or was it 9:30?

LinZbee: I like this jury. You can tell, they want to get it done! A little different than the Spector 1 jury, or court system. They would have been off for HOURS today on their schedule, off at 4:00 pm. UN-believable!

ritanita: I'm starting to feel for the cameraman. Does he get a pillow and blankie to take a nap next to his camera?

Update: 7:56 pm
The jury came back for more requests around 6:50 pm and now, around 8:00 pm they are requesting more documents. As a side note, Kelly has not been in the courtroom for some time. She was only in the courtroom for her testimony; she wasn't even there for the closing arguments. Has Kelly moved on? Has she already started looking for bigger, wider, longer boffing? Come on! We all get those emails.

Update 8:25 pm
Judge Schroeder and Albee are in a big argument over whether or not to force the jury to go home and let the alternates go. Schroeder is not going to force the jury to go home, which is what Albee wants. Schroeder is shouting at Albee.

Albee says he's concerned about a fair trial and Mark Jensen's right, and the jurors feeling about the amount of time they are "forced" to stay.

Jambois says that many people work sixteen hour days, and I don't see any reason to address this now. If the jurors want to stay here until 10 pm or 1 in the morning, I can stay that late.

Schroeder says that he doesn't feel the jurors staying this late is being in anyway cohersive.

Albee wants another note sent. Judge Schroeder feels that no more notes need to be sent. They are sending for a steady stream of information so they are very active working on the case and maybe they want to wrap this up tonight.

Schroeder says he will not send them another note because he feels that would be cohersive to do so. Anything else, Schroeder asks, and then that's it. We're back to watching the clock.

Sprocket here. This is unforkin'believeable! Donchais and I have never seen anything like this before. A jury that doesn't want to home.

Earlier today, Julie Jensen's brothers speak out to Today's TMJ4.

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Monday, February 18, 2008

Mark Jensen Murder Trial: Commentary


Thank you ritanita for sharing with T&T this hysterical "pic" of Mark Jensen as Howdy Doody. Did you do that yourself, or did someone morph that for you? It's perfect.

I have to say that I have never heard a more dismal closing argument (CA) from a defense attorney than I did from Craig Albee today. What an incoherent disjointed mess that was. It was clear Albee didn't prepare for his CA, and towards the end it sounded like he was grasping for the last bit of oxygen in the room. Let's hope Jensen doesn't have a case for appeal because of a piss poor CA. I'm sure he bored the jury even more than he bored me, since they have been trapped in the jury box, forced to listen to him argue the same arguments over and over and over for almost 30 days. There were times when Albee really did shine in cross examination but fortunately for the prosecution, it rarely lasted long.

It was either my sound or I just missed it, but it sounded like Jambois stumbled over his first few words of CA. He quickly regained his footing though, and went on to deliver a pretty good summation of his case, outlining the major points, and going into specific detail on others.

WISN has a short clip of both the prosecution and defense closing arguments.

donchais told me earlier today, she is predicting a verdict by Thursday. I'm not that optimistic. I would be if this jury was sequestered, but they are not.

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Kudos go to Sedonia Sunset for putting Mark Jensen in the Howdy Doody suit.

Mark Jensen Murder Trial

Day 29 – 2/18/08

You will notice several different styles of writing as myself, ritanita, and Intrepid have done the transcriptions today. I have also included color and funny commentary from some of our dearest friends. Enjoy!

Judge Schroeder is giving jury instructions.

Charges are intentional homicide of the 1st degree.

Defendant caused the death.

Acted with intent to kill.

Intent didn't have to exist for a length of time. Could have happened right before the action.

Motive is not required to be proven.

Mark's smirk is gone this morning. He's taking this seriously. Maybe it's starting to hit home. ritanita

Wow! That was quick! And the instructions were very common sense based. Good. Intrepid

Jambois closing~

Now you can understand where Julie was at when Julie told Margaret Wojt that Mark was being good to her. She was in a good place. Mark was being kind to her and helping her.

Julie, a loving mother would have never left medications in the kitchen. That's where Mark had total control of it.

She never told Dr. Borman what she thought about Mark trying to kill her. She knew what Dr. Borman would do. Send her to a psychiatrist. She knew that would make her look crazy.

The note in the day planner was ominous. Julie was concerned about it. She photographed the note because she was concerned about Mark trying to kill her or make her think he was trying to do something to her.

No evidence that Julie was angry and suicidal. You heard a lot of testimony she was frightened.

The defense is that Julie was angry and committed suicide and framed her husband.

Is that "Colonel Sanders" behind Mark? Bballgrl

Julie was doped up on Librium, Benadryl and anti-freeze the last 2 days of her life.

Who went to Dr. Borman for Ambien? Sleeplessness is a side effect of depression. But, there was no evidence of Julie not being able to sleep.

Julie was sleeping from Wednesday on. That allowed Mark to give her dose after dose of anti-freeze.

You've all had experience with 2-3 glasses of wine, 2-3 shots of whiskey, 3-4 beers. Were you intoxicated for 14, 18, 24 hours? Julie was, based on the evidence you heard.

Think about Mark lying there next to Julie listening to her gasping for life. Think about what was going through his mind the night of December 2nd.

Do you think Julie staggered out of bed that night to look up symptoms on the internet?

Is there any doubt in your mind, who was using the computer?

There was never any internet use when Mark wasn't home.

There's evidence in this case that Mark talked about killing Julie.

Mark and Kelly were planning a cruise. Who used the internet to order a DVD on Windstar Cruises? Did you think Julie was helping Mark plan a cruise?

Mark emails Kelly that he had till the end of the year to work out his details. We'll discuss the details. "I'm not sure how I'll deal with my issues."

The night before there was an internet search for the "Underground". Just before midnight he finds Drugs, Nicotine, Bombs, Poison.

Jambois going through numerous searches on the net for drugs, botulism, etc. He double deleted all the searches before he consented to turning over his computer to LE. Mark Jensen never thought a jury would see the searches.

I think Jambois is spending too much time showing these. He could just make general statements.

Julie had good reason to be concerned about this man. She didn't know how good. She didn't know about the internet searches.

You heard from Dr. Denton, he would be very concerned.

Mark was looking up the symptoms on December 2nd. He was tracking the symptoms Julie was exhibiting. She wasn't dying fast enough for him.

I think Jambois is laying the whole murder scenario out point by point in a calm, logical fashion. He is covering all points so that when Albee gets up, the point has been explained and defused before it is brought up by the defense. LinZbee

Mark didn't know to lie about the internet searches because he thought he had erased them.

Mark Jensen knew to lie about Kelly LaBonte because that provided motive.

Mark Jensen lied about being at work while he was smothering Julie. But, the 2 women who worked in that small office said that Mark never came to work that day.

Aaron Dillard is a con man. He's not medium or seer or law enforcement. The description Dillard gave could only have come from the person involved in Julie's death.

You heard Dr. Chambliss. He did not offer an opinion on her cause of death until cross-examination. You saw the photos of Julie and that uncomfortable position. She was rolled over into that position. You saw Dr. Chambliss say that with Aaron Dillard's statement and the injury to Julie's ribs, that he believed that Julie was suffocated.

The defense has a lot to work with the inmates who testified here.
Should we just disregard what they say because they are in jail?
Although they are criminals, they are not always going to lie. We can't always disbelieve what they have to say, or we would never care what happens within the prison walls.

Okay! Jambois is comparing his jailhouse snitches to Drs. Spiro and Rumack! They all told lies! ritanita

Who showed more bias in this case? Aaron Dillard, Dr. Spiro, Dr. Rumack?

Dr. Rumack wouldn't agree with anything Dr. Long said. Dr. Long has being doing this for years and years. The bottom line is that at the end the day, Dr. Rumack did agree with the amounts of ethylene glycol in the stomach and the blood.

Ethylene glycol's half life is 3-5 hours. You've had experience or seen people who have been drinking. After several hours they get better. Julie was intoxicated for more than 24 hours.

Julie was exhibiting stages 1, 2 and 3 of ethylene glycol poisoning. She did not have one large dose. She had several smaller doses.

The examination of Kelly LaBonte was not done to embarrass her or make you think less of her. Kelly tried to minimize the beginning of their relationship. She knew Mark had lied to Det. Ratzburg. She lied at the forfeiture hearing. Then, after a break and after talking to her lawyer, she changed the date.

Kelly Jensen was being questioned about the sexual relationship because she lied during the forfeiture hearing to make her time line fit what Mark Jensen had told police.

MJ is just absolutely one of the weirdest people I've EVER heard of! Poor Julie! Xspectorant

She lied to you here. You heard the phone conversation here where Mark said that conversation never happened in 1998. She was taking her cue from Mark. She was biased in her testimony when she said the intimate relationship began in 1999. She finally conceded that the conversation happened in 1998. Why was it important? Because Mark Jensen was using the internet to search in October 1998, Mercury Fulminate, cross wiring a pool to make it blow up, etc.

Kelly Jensen is being painted as the liar she is and Mr. Jambois is sure that the jury is getting every little and big lie she told. It should be interesting to see Albee make her out to be an honest, upstanding citizen the jury should lend great credence to in their deliberations...ritanita

Aaron Dillard admitted to being bought and paid for, Dr. Spiro didn't admit to being bought and paid for.

Jambois is certainly making sure the jurors consider many witnesses as being comparable to or worse than Aaron Dillard. This is a good move! ritanita

Jambois goes into the whole bizarre preoccupation with penis size, girth, length and shape. The evidence wasn't presented to embarrass Mr. Jensen. It was presented to show who was capable of and responsible for leaving the pictures around.

Dr. Spiro was arrogant telling you what was going through Julie's mind. He was biased. He made these statements after speaking only with the Jensens’.

Dr. Spiro said Julie was delusional based on conversations with Mark and his family.

Aaron Dillard admitted to being bought and paid for, Dr. Spiro didn't admit to being bought and paid for.

Mr. Jambois is certainly making sure the jurors consider many witnesses as being comparable to or worse than Aaron Dillard. This is a good move!

Dr. Denton, when he saw the list that Mark wrote, said he was deeply concerned. And, he was paid by the defense for his testimony.

Laura Koster told Julie, "You have no idea what he's capable of". Was Julie delusional?

You want to know what Mark was capable of? You heard Ed Klug's testimony. Ed Klug didn't come forward because Mark Jensen was his boss at the time. Ed Klug was afraid. He did not want to get involved.

He had no motive to create this story out of thin air. He spoke with his wife about it that night.

He spoke with Ron Wruck and Daun Cooper. None of these people had a reason to lie about this.

By now, you've come to realize that Mark Jensen likes to talk. He can't keep his mouth shut. He told Ed Klug there were ways on the internet to kill someone with a poison that isn’t normally found in autopsies. That it crystallized you from the inside out.

He couldn’t keep his mouth shut in jail. He would talk to anybody about his case. Bounce ideas off of them. Mark Jensen likes to talk.

Ed Klug was nervous during his testimony; he was non-responsive at times. But, when the words finally came out it was the truth and was backed up by several other witnesses.

Ed Klug had reason to be ashamed for not coming forward sooner.

During Mr. Albee's closing ask yourselves, "where's the anger in Julie?". Where's the evidence that Julie, a mother who loved her children, would commit suicide to frame her husband for murder and leave her children without a mother and a father?

Ask yourselves how a man who loves his wife, could lie beside her listening to her gasping for breath and dying?

Ask yourselves how Julie, gasping for her last breath, staggered out of bed to use the internet to look up symptoms and then double delete the searches.

Mr. Jambois is done! He used less than the 2 hours he originally estimated. He was clear, concise and pretty much countered anything the defense can offer.


Albee on closing~

Thank you for your attentiveness. Mr. Jambois and I truly appreciate your time.

On August 14 2007 Aaron Dillard was transported the Kenosha County Jail. He was facing many years in jail. He admitted he was a liar, a con man. I never saw any remorse in Mr. Dillard for the people he victimized.

Mr. Dillard met Mark Jensen in jail and saw him as his get out jail, free card. Dillard read Klug's testimony and discussed the case with Mark. Mark Jensen repeatedly professed his innocence.

Dillard then wrote to his attorney who then went to the prosecution. They were interested in talking to Dillard.

Why did the state change their theory to rely on Aaron Dillard in this case?

One, the state's case about ethylene glycol fell apart when witnesses refuted Dr. Long's report as incorrect.

Two, there is evidence of Julie's depression. That would indicate the possibility of suicide.

So that's why the state had to change their theory.
You heard that Mark was crying the night Julie died.
You heard the testimony of Julie's depression.
You heard about Det. Ratzburg and Officer Kosman had spoken with Julie prior to her death.
You heard about Julie not wanting to accept help.

Mark was willing to take a polygraph. Mark says OK. Albee continues to read all about Mark agreeing to take a polygraph.

May, 1999, ethylene glycol is detected in the blood. March 11, 2002, Dr. Long states that this is a homicide because of the large amount of ethylene glycol in Julie’s stomach. It is only after this that Mark is arrested.

August 2007, there are holes in the state’s case. There wasn’t a large amount of ethylene glycol ingested, just 1⁄2 teaspoon.

For two years, nobody on the states team noticed this and Dr. Lavin was fired because of this case.

Dr. Mainland took the job knowing she didn’t want this to happen to her. She found it particularly difficult when she noticed there isn’t much research on ethylene glycol. She wouldn’t testify to the outriders and insisted on the 3-5 half-life, the only numbers that would help her.

Albee is probably thinking, "Damn it Mark!! If you wanted to kill your wife AND GET AWAY WITH IT you should've used the ol' wood chipper!!" Dozer

Dr. Rumack is the only medical toxicologist that testified. He’s the only one who treats people and sees how it affects them. He had no problem with the concept that somebody like Julie Jensen could be up and mobile. He is a national expert who testified to this stuff. He has published many books and developed the antidote to Tylenol. He goes on and on about how wonderful Dr. Rumack is! He doesn’t believe such a man would testify based on his pay. Albee says even he could forget how much he was paid way back then.

Mark Jensen said Julie couldn’t get out of bed. But Mark didn’t know what Julie could do! Julie was pretending to be so sick.

Dr. Rumack had no problem that the ethylene glycol in the stomach could have been there for a while.

Dr. Rumack testified that ethylene glycol tasted bitter and acrid. Dr. Long said it was odorless. Dr. Mainland said is tasted like a tropical drink!

The one ingestion is consistent with stomach contents, blood contents, kidney crystals.

There is a “huge hole” in the state’s case. That’s why they rely on Aaron Dillard.

Albee puts up a definition of “Burden of Proof” and “Proof of Innocence".

You can’t just point the finger at someone. Albee goes on about people who are wrongfully found guilty. There is no DNA here that could set him free.

Interviews occurred 3-9 years after the fact and whether they satisfy the burden of proof since people have a tendency to forget things as time goes by. Even if the testimony is not impeached, you don’t have to believe it because of the amount of time that has gone by.

Everybody has to abide by these instructions. The jury is the judge of the facts. In England, the jury used to wear robes, too. Not quite as elegant as Mr. Jambois put it!

Some minor facts in this case demonstrate the problems with older allegations. How do you defend against statement made 9 years ago when there are no notes, tapes...

People want to remember what happened, but memory gets tainted over time.

There was the teacher who even typed up a report right after the event forgot about something. She had a “flashback” the night before she testified and suddenly remembered that perhaps the note she thought was written by Julie wasn’t written, it was printed. And Julie never printed... she was right then, but wanted to change her testimony.

Det. Ratzburg shows statement written by Thad Wojt in 1999. The year was wrong! It was 1998!

Wojt also was wrong about Julie pounding nails on the deck. He said it was summertime and everything was nice and green. Douglas was born March! The final inspection didn't occur until October.

There are other claims for which he doesn't have the good fortune to documentation.

Wojt said Julie could see Mark using the computer and see the screen with poisons with the door partially shut. Couldn't be done based on the police photos.

Others said Julie wasn't losing weight. We have a record from Dr. Borman. She's dropped significant weight for someone his size. Mark Jensen was right! He said she was losing weight.

Good, well-intentioned people are wrong about what is going wrong.

The neighbors saw the "good, old Julie Jensen"... Wojt didn't.

Mark says he went to work the day Julie died. Who's going to say they went to work if he didn't. Mark wouldn't lie because the police would probably check it out!

Again, the witnesses can't remember way back when.

The burden of proof can't be met because nobody follows up on information at the time.

The burden of proof guards against jumping to conclusions.

Jambois asked someone if there was a search for oils... in regards to botulism. The witness Rhonda Mitchell? Then, Perry Tarica gives the stock names for petroleum stocks.

Therese DeFazio says Julie doesn't know about the tics which went away after Julie died.

Testimony, her eye was kind of bulged out. Dr. Mainland couldn't see it in the picture.

Mercury fulminate... we don't have mercury; we don't have acid, or anything to build a bomb! These aren't on the list!

Laura Koster says it was a piece of plastic!

The burden of proof... the witnesses must be weighed beyond a reason of a doubt.

Harassment.... Officer Kosman couldn't prove Mark did it! It's suspicion and nothing else.

The secretaries didn't remember (according to Albee).

It's clear Julie Jensen thought the photos were of her. Julie Jensen was smart. Would you believe she wasn't smart enough to know they were her? What would make her so naive and sophisticated that she'd think pictures of her weren't of her.

Perry Tarica lied....

Julie studied nursing... Albee mentions the classes Julie took. She had medical background, she was computer literate, she made that invitation, she used Quicken.

Julie had an affair, she filed divorce papers.... how could she not understand she would have 50/50 custody?

I don't know why Julie was doing what she was doing on the computers... you can't say who was using the computer... it's clear Julie used the computer, she had a financial background. Why would she minimize her computer literacy to Therese DeFazio.... ah, it was all part of the plot!

When someone says, "I don't even know how to turn on a computer" (Julie's statement to DeFazio) they are using HYPERBOLE to express how little they know about computers---NOT that they literally don't know how to turn one on.

Albee mentions the early computer searches, newsgroups, nicotine... he'll come back to the nicotine..

October 16, 1998... no connection with mercury fulminate...

Windstar cruises were a separate search, I'm not saying Mark didn't use the computer...

Mark had no need to do a search for Kelly, for people at the Appleton office. The searches are those of an understandably suspicious wife! I can't understand any machination that went through her mind. This is when the steamy e-mails were called up. Julie Jensen was spying on her husband; she's the one who's pulling up the e-mails, searching for Kelly. She complained to people about the affair.

Wojt reported Julie as being furious and angry and upset about Mark's affair.

So did Jill Griffin say Julie was angry about the affair.

That's the anger that Jambois mentioned.

Now he's saying Julie did the cooking and would look up flavored oils, hence the search on botulism.

Who did the deletions on Dec. 1 & 2... some weren't deleted because she wanted to leave a trail leading right to her husband.

Mark had 2 computers at work. Months after Julie's death, they weren't confiscated... then the one computer "broke down." That was the work computer. The activity could be accessed in St. Louis. If he were doing it at home, he would have been doing it at work too! We have no proof of that. We don't have the proof about the work computer because it's not there.

Albee is now trying to rehabilitate Kelly. How can she remember the dates when the police had confiscated all the materials?

Penis notes... happened later, no connection to Jacques Joseph.

Ahhh good name for a book...Penis Notes!

"The Penis Diaries." Dozer

Aw crap! That just reminded me! I wanted to count how many times the word "Penis" was used by each lawyer in their CA's. The one who said it the most was gonna win a prize...... Intrepid

As far as I can tell, as of this point, Mr. Albee has attempted to:

Discredit all the neighbors; the teacher by saying nobody's memory is good.

Make Kelly more credible because her memory isn't good.

Say his expert, Dr. Rumack is a true humanitarian who makes so much money that he can't remember $10,000.

There wasn't a lot of EG in Julie.... just enough to kill her as per his own experts and the pro's witnesses.

Julie was a scheming and intelligent woman who knew just when to delete histories and when not to. She conned Mark into thinking she was dying by pretending to be unable to get out of bed when she was really running around using the bathroom, doing computer searches, and calling the neighbors drunk. ritanita

Albee is now going down to "reasonable hypothesis notion"....

He'll discuss it later. But Julie Jensen's suicide is a reasonable hypothesis to Mark Jensen's innocence.

Aaron Dillard, Ed Klug, and other jail inmates, one should stop, not pause or hesitate... would you buy a used car from Aaron Dillard? Buying a house, choosing a mate...his word & Mr. Klug's would cause you to hesitate.

Mr. Klug: He can't put his finger on it, but there's something about Mr. Klug, he's not a believable man. He "hit" the witness stand? Would we take his advice about buying a house? He seeks attention, people who know him (Ron Wruck), didn't have a positive attitude about his truthfulness... attention seeking, liked stroking. He liked the attention in this case. He never came forward for 9 years, Albee's glad he doesn't have the burden, doesn't buy a word he says, ....... Nobody backed him up on antifreeze. Not even his wife, but I'll get back to her later. Stipulation between the parties, at no time ... did Mr. Klug mention EG or anti-freeze. He keeps embellishing his story.

Mrs. Klug wanted to be supportive of her husband. Wruck said they were always fighting. She's jealous, wondering if they're women involved...... on and on.... She throws in that Ed said antifreeze. Ed is trying to be the center of attention because he knew the notorious Mark Jensen.

Klug didn't remember because he never heard it...

Ed Klug said Daun was there but she wasn't.

Dave Nehring says Ed was talking about other people there when he was talking to Mark...

Ed's afraid to lose face, so he makes it up?

Thugs have reasons to lie and take advantage of Mark Jensen.

Going back to Mr. Dillard. Why on earth would the State change it's whole theory on this matter based on what this man said?

Dr. Long - there was a possibility of suicide

During interview w/pros. said he had never physically harmed anyone.

Mentions a witness crying at his picture. Oh, the emotional harm he did.

Probation officer made the recommendation (OBJECTION) and the jury is sent out.

Jambois: This was ruled inadmissible. (Agent's opinion of Dillard). Ms. Rush's testimony was also ruled inadmissible for the same reason.

Albee: I read the material during the trial.

Judge rules Mr. Albee can't use it to denounce Dillard.

Albee argues it. "If it got in, oh well!"

The judge says he can only use it to go to Dillard's motivation to fabricate.

What Aaron Dillard knew when he came in to testify:

He is a very, very bad man! His goal in life is to be a successful criminal and needs to go to jail for a long, long time! This, according to his probation officer.

Albee snarkily asks how Aaron Dillard could have known about the photo of the face? As per Dr. Mainland

Albee points out all the documents that were in Mark's jail cell. How did he get to look at all of that? It was available to him...

Albee reads from the note... and how would Dillard know how the POLICE wanted him to come up with that?

P. 64 tells how Dillard could know about the nose and mouth. Mark tells Ratzburg about rolling her.... and Albee goes on to read words and phrases from the transcript...

Any of the information contained in the reportage of Mr. Albee's CA has been prepared with the best intentions. His CA is rambling, rapid, and very hard to follow. ritanita

Albee reiterates all the little things that Mark probably told the cunning Mr. Dillard that the cunning Mr. Dillard could put together to give the police the perfect case and Dr. Mainland could rely on for her expert testimony.

Now Albee is bringing up Dr. Denton's testimony about how Julie's arm couldn't be in the position it was and cause bruises. "Bruises" are pooling of blood...

Livermortis caused nose to stay the way it did?

Now we're back to Dr. Chambliss stuff. He changed his mind on re-direct.
Now, he's reminding the jury about Dr. Chambliss' knowledge errors... how to do the math, small, does not mean minor, this didn't fluster him. Dr. Chambliss was flustered when his phone went off.

The nose is lost. And so is the rib bruising. Now the arm. Nothing in rebuttal from Dr. Mainland. Dr. Denton was so persuasive, they didn't bother. Dillard had a way to have this knowledge.

Aaron Dillard must have read the transcripts in his cell and taken detailed notes. He had other people potentially helping him.

Why did the State change its theory of the case?

1. Julie Jensen was a suicide risk.
2. State didn't call any witnesses to testify about her mental state except neighbors.
3. Dr. Spiro: Is a professional. We have a doctor and relies not on just Mark Jensen, but those who Mark recommended. Also Mr. DiFazio and Dr. Borman.
4. Neighbor Wojt says she was angry.
5. She complaining about the deteriorating marriage, she's NOT happy about Mark was taking care of her as she told a neighbor.
6. Mentions Mark's affair. Julie and Perry's affair wasn't pristine either... having sex with the baby in the next room... everything is exposed in the e-mails, things said about Julie weren't hateful..."I've got my ticket punched" his wife wants nothing to do with him. Why not a divorce?
7. Motive: She expressed her anger to Wojt. She's sick, severe depression, marriage falling apart, (he goes off about Dr. Spiro here).

Motive for Julie Jensen.... revenge.... level of hate at people you perceive... hate.... he's got a lot of ellipses here... We see stories in the news of women with children killing themselves... 80% of EG deaths are suicide. Motive of revenge and your kids, it's not rational, it's the illness. The stigma... (rants a bit here) Jury voir dire... about the STIGMA Julie Jensen's a nurse! Why wouldn't she get the kids? The only way Mark can convince her is if something bad is going on with her. Bleak and hopeless, can't think rationally, a woman in that position won't get the kids. Mark's a good father, she's a good mother... she wanted to stay home with the kids.


HE JUST LIED LIKE A DOG! PAT GRIFFIN SPECIFICALLY SAID HIS WRIST CUTTING WAS NOT A SERIOUS SUICIDE ATTEMPT! "It was just a foolish act of a stupid kid", was what he said.

I'm thinking Bob Jambois will get up and kick his butt halfway to Canada! Intrepid

Delusions... like feces incident, setting up her husband... She wouldn't eat food at home... Mark doesn't cook! What are the kids eating? This is the irrational, the delusional. Those last couple days, she's doing things Mark doesn't know about: eating, getting up, using the computer...

The question that can't be answered is why she drank anything?

She gives Laura Koster the "goodbye speech."

Walgreen's receipt, 11/11. Mrs. Wojt spoke to her while Mark was out to see Dr. Borman. Why didn't she call for help? If she calls for help, the jig is up.

Inconsistencies of Julie's statement:

Looking in door 3/4 closed...

Why doesn't she have Laura look at the computer.

There is no satisfactory reason for her not to seek help.

Dr. Mainland: SSRI's can energize people... can take step to commit suicide.

Albee reads a chart of contradictory statements Julie made to various people.

Now, reads a chart that shows what help Julie didn't take.

Don't open the letter, don't tell Mark things.
Declines place to stay and money.
Calls Mrs. Wojt and tells her not to worry
Officer Kosman: she leaves him a voice mail, declines help and shelter, insists Mark not be confronted
Laura: doesn't ask her for help
Borman: denies domestic violence, asked for help w/depression so he wouldn't intervene
Tells Ms. DiFazio - tells her not to tell anyone

She's an independent person with money and a car
Can take children while Mark is at work
Doesn't ask family for help
She didn't call for help when she was being poisoned

Albee shows blow-up of Julie's letter:

He's an avid internet user. Points finger at Mark
Relationship is deteriorating, quite superficial
She doesn't smoke or drink (setting up Mark on nicotine, who knows how she plans to use it)
She wouldn't kill herself because of the kids
She hopes she's wrong

These all seem to prove something.

He knows he's forgotten things... could say a lot more...

He's winding up here!

Mr. Jensen and I thank you. I hope you come back with a verdict of not guilty.

Break

Judge is reading a statute that has to do with number of jurors in selection. And he said he's going to write a letter to his assemblyman after this trial! Woot! Go Judge Schroeder - do that whole democracy thing!

Judge is asking for a stipulation about keeping some of the "extra" jurors in case of illness or car accident of any of the jurors after they begin deliberations.

The statute says that before the jurors start deliberating, 7 must be chosen as "extras" and dismissed, but that means they can't use an alternate in case there is sickness/injury/emergency among any of the 12 deliberating jurors.

Jambois willing to stipulate to keeping 2 or 3 aside - essentially as "alternates" - in case of emergency. Albee is not too keen on that, of course.

Judge says what ever is decided it must be decided NOW, before the selection process is finalized.

Also, he said that should there be a problem with this jury finding a verdict, he is not so inclined to reduce the bond of Mark Jensen. So if they have a hung jury or there is some reason this jury cannot reach a verdict due losing a juror, Mark still stays in jail!

Albee doesn't want to agree to having 2 or 3 extras/alternates, but he also doesn't want Mark to have to stay in jail. Says the judge is being a bit "short sighted" in this.....

Jury Back - Jambois on rebuttal closing argument.

The defense said Aaron Dillard is a liar - but I told you he was a liar, and he has a record as long as my arm!

Jambois wasn't interested in Aaron Dillard, until his lawyer read to him what Aaron Dillard had to say. Things Mark said to him, things that weren't known to him before.

Albee objects! Judge doesn't remember what Jambois said, so Jambois tells the jury that they took notes, and will be able to see for themselves what was said.

There is not a shred of evidence in this case that Aaron Dillard was presented with any of the evidence in this case. Not a scintilla! Defense says that he had access to the transcript of Mark Jensen's interview with Det. Ratzburg, but they've not been able to prove Aaron Dillard read it!

It's nowhere in the transcript that Mark talked about this at that conference to another person. Nobody saw about Mark rolling Julie over, because she was flat on her face. Nobody.

Aaron Dillard is a liar, a conman, and a thief. What's not on the list of things Aaron Dillard is?

* Medium
* Seer
* Medical Pathologist
* Genius
* Brilliant

How many times do the police respond to the residence of a murdered person where the spouse of the murdered person isn't upset? Mark knew he needed to act upset or they would suspect him. And most spouses stay upset for quite a long time.

But not Mark Jensen, the next day, was talking to his friend Dave Nehring about the advisability of having his girlfriend come to stay with him before the wake.....

Polygraph examinations are not admissible in court. They aren't very reliable. Defense counsel said that Mark Jensen offered to take one, but he didn't follow through with it. And why would he not follow through with it? OBJECTION! Overruled.

"Rumack wouldn't lie - just because he's getting paid doesn't mean he would lie" - you heard that testimony about what he was getting paid. He wasn't responsive to questions about what he was getting paid.

He would not agree with Dr Long on even the simplest of issues. He included on his PowerPoint presentation a case about a man who died due to EG poisoning - but what he left out was the fact that this man was murdered, and he was murdered by the care taker, and there were computer searches about EG!

Barry Rumack did not like Chris Long. Period.

"DNA" - only time defense attorneys talk about it when somebody gets sprung from prison. They're not ever talking about how DNA is reliable, only trying to raise reasonable doubt.

Albee objects twice!

"People who may not remember, or who may lie after 9 years" - may be true, but if Mark Jensen is an innocent man, he's the most unlucky man in the world! All these people who are against him! Who lie about him! Even his best friend!

"Thad Wojt" - if he's saying something that is for their case, it's good. But when what he says supports the state's case, he's a liar or he doesn't remember...... Thad Wojt is a man who tells the truth, both him and Margaret. He is a good witness. Reliable.

"Therese DeFazio, a well meaning person" - there are all kinds of things that she says that blows defense theory out of the water.

1. About being a class volunteer - Julie indicated in late August she couldn't really use a computer very well. David even told her that his mom couldn't use a computer - he was even teaching her.

Julie Jensen didn't use that computer.

2. "She changed her testimony" - about the note she received from Julie; she would think Julie wrote the note because Julie did everything about David's schooling! Of course she thought Julie wrote the note. But it suddenly came to her that the note was printed. It wasn't in cursive.

Paper in Mark's office, in garbage can - "Note to school - call school". Laura Koster even said it was Mark Jensen's own handwriting.

I never made a bit deal of it - it wasn't a part of the state's case. I don't care who wrote the note. But defense made a big deal out of it, of Therese DeFazio changing her testimony. They made a bit deal of it, but look at where the evidence takes you.

"Julie didn't build the deck while she was pregnant" - Douglas was born in March, and Julie could have worked on that deck.

About people remembering things after 9 years - people can remember things for 9 years. Your neighbor dies - you're gonna remember that. You work in an office, and a co-worker's wife dies - you're gonna remember that day. Especially if he calls in and asks you what to do! You tell him to take her to the hospital! His own son told him to take her to the hospital!

Mr. Albee doesn't want you to believe Thad Wojt when he tells you things he sees with his own eyes, only things about Julie being depressed.

"Mark Jensen was at work that day" - Really? Where's the evidence of that? Three people testified to that he was not at work that day. Dave Nehring, and the other two ladies whose names I don't remember. Dave Nehring remembers Mark coming to work the next day and discussing with him the advisibility of having his girlfriend coming to stay at his house, to help him out, and to help get him through the wake.

This is an unusual case - not many cases about someone poisoning another person.

"Only an empty plastic syringe - anybody in that house need insulin injections? Why was there a syringe in that house?

"Julie thought the pictures were her" - who had a motive to make Julie think they were of her? Others saw the pictures and said there was no way to see if they were of Julie.

Imagine the repertoire of photos a person would have to look through to find photos where a woman - we can't see her face - was about to perform fellatio? Who do you know has enough of a collection of these kinds of photos that would fit that description?

There is one person who has enough of these kinds of photos.......

Objection! He talked about the work computer, and that was in 2000......

Ok, I'll get right into that. How come we couldn't get anything off of it? Dave Nehring tells him on Friday "Aren't you glad they didn't take your work computer?” and when they go to get it on Monday, low and behold, the work computer is fried. What a coincidence!

"Julie used the computer, according to Laura Koster" - ha ha ha ha, I'll leave it to you whether or not you believe any of the words of Laura Koster.

Of any words that were uttered/heard from Laura Koster that might be considered truthful were the ones spoken to Julie - "I lived with him for 18 years, you have no idea of what he's capable of".

Julie was a strong person. She filed for divorce and Mark told her she would never see David again. He used the children over and over again to control her.

Counsel said Julie used Quicken. She entered checks. Ms. Di Fazio said Julie told her, if you open a program, I can use it.

Counsel made reference about the search alt.suicide and nicotine. If you're going to kill your wife and make it look like suicide why wouldn't Mark look that up.

Mark Jensen told Dr. Borman, it was his wife who called for Nicotrol, 11 days after Julie died. Why would Mark do that?

You decide.

Counsel brought up Oct. 16th. I'm surprised he brought that up. Someone looked Kelly. Julie already knew about Kelly Labonte.

If Julie suspected there was an affair. I guarantee you she already knew who Kelly was.

"October 16, 1998" - Counsel brings this up and it's poor salesmanship, in my view. "Why would Mark Jensen just look up the name Kelly?" What happened in the weeks before then? On Sept 19, 1998? Kelly LaBonte married Marc Grieman. Made Mark jealous. But is she going by "LaBonte" or by "Grieman"? If she's still going by "LaBonte", maybe he'll still have a shot. He sent her an e-mail "I see you're still going by LaBonte." He was obsessing about Kelly LaBonte, that's why he typed in her first name.

"We have no evidence that Mark Jensen's work computer was destroyed" - yeah, we do. Dave Nehring tells him on Friday that it's good the police didn't take his work computer, and on Monday, the hard drive is fried. He told Dave Nehring afterwards it was fried.

"John Jacques Joseph occurred in fall of '98" - Didn't occur at the Blueprint conference, cause Kelly was with her husband (Marc Grieman). Whatever occurred between Mark Jensen and Kelly did not occur at the Blueprint in '98, cause she was with her former husband!

"Julie's inability to use the computer is part of the conspiracy. It's all a lie" - Julie told the Ms DeFazio back in August of that year she couldn't use one. She's anticipating her conspiracy, according to the defense.

Ed Klug lumped in with the inmates - You be the judge about the inmates, whether they are telling you the truth. Re: David Thompson - his testimony does seem implausible, doesn't it? Abducting a witness and sitting on them for $1000! Until you hear Mark Jensen in a phone conversation about this with his wife. $500 - two times. Going to his parents for the money. Maybe this David Thompson isn't as incredible as he sounds! Maybe even though he is a bank robber, he may be telling the truth.

David Thompson's fiancé confirmed it. Mark's conversation with his own mother corroborated it. Mark wanted Ed Klug sat on. Ed Klug has no motive to lie in this case. When counsel says "I can't put my finger on it", it means he can't think of a single reason for Ed Klug to come in and lie about this.

Ron Wruck testified to this. He saw Ed Klug the morning after he and Mark had that conversation and asked him why he was tired, and Ed said, "I stayed up with Mark Jensen all night talking about how to kill our wives". Ed Klug talked about Benadryl - Mark told him it's not found at autopsy, it crystallizes you from the inside out. Only one source of information. The intoxicated Mark Jensen. He even told Aaron Dillard he messed up when he got drunk that night.

You are the finders of fact. Is this a suicide/frame up, or a murder?

* Using a drug not typically found at autopsy - if you were committing suicide you want a drug that is found at autopsy! Why would you use one that wouldn't be found? YOU'RE TRYING TO FRAME YOUR HUSBAND! You want it found.

(No dispute of this truth - EG is hard to find at autopsy)

* Using a drug that causes a slow, agonizing death - Why would a nurse (1 semester short) who is trying to frame her husband select a drug that is agonizingly painful?

(No dispute of this truth - EG poisoning is a slow and agonizing death)

But a murderer would choose these two - they don't want the drug to be found easily at autopsy, and they don't care if it's painful.

* Searching the internet for poison, and then erasing the history - Why would she erase the internet history? This was 1998, and Julie Jensen didn't know how to use a computer very much. Her own son testified to this.

* Telling Mrs. Wojt "Mark is being good to me" - why would she say this to her husband if she was trying to frame her husband for murder? He wasn't being good to her, but she said to the contrary.

* Not call an ambulance - consistent with murder

* Mark requesting Ambien - According to him in other conversations Julie was sleeping most of that day, so why would he request Ambien for someone who was sleeping?

* Leaving the kids in the car when he went in and checked on Julie - What parent would leave their 3-year-old child in a car in early December in Wisconsin? He knew what they were going to see and he didn't want them to see her.

* Not going to work on December 3rd, 1998 - Why did he say he went to work, but didn't? In a poisoning death, it doesn't matter where the poisoner was when their victim died, but in a suffocation death, it is absolutely essential to know where the murderer was at all times that day!
Julie Jensen lived for her family. Her personal license plate "My3D's". David, Douglas and Dad. She couldn't leave Mark because if she left, she'd never see her children again.

She writes a note. She expresses her pain, her indecision. Tries to give whoever reads this some insight into what she's going through. She hopes nobody ever reads this.

She can't share it with anyone else. Not Thad Wojt, Officer Kosman, with anyone else in the police. Mark would get rid of every shred of evidence. He was a stockbroker, wealthy. Respected. Who would believe this of him? They'd think she's delusional!

All the power Mark Jensen has - the power to hire all these expert witnesses to come in and paint Julie Jensen as belonging in a loony bin, as Julie's family as belonging in a Looney bin. Julie's family are decent people - intelligent, articulate good people.

She hid these words away. Didn't tell her doctor. Didn't mean for you to ever see these words. Only to be expressed and shared upon her death. She wanted the world to know the truth. When she wrote these words, she had no motive to lie. She hoped nobody would ever see these words.

"However I will not leave David and Douglas. My life's greatest love, accomplishment and wish"

Dr Spiro - he doesn't understand. I hope you do.

Brilliant rebuttal!

Judge lets jury go home. They still have to finish who gets released and finish jury restrictions. They will begin again at 8:30 am, CST.

Yikes, Albee again calls for mistrial! Denied.

Judge wants the attorneys back at 8:15 to finalize the jury. Albee is whining again to stipulate who and when gets released from the jury.

Judge basically says tough.

Jambois says Albee won’t give a stipulation tomorrow; he’ll keep changing his mind.

Ciao!

CNN.Crime

Friday, February 15, 2008

Mark Jensen Murder Trial

Day 28 – 2/15/08

Guest entry by ritanita and Intrepid!

Rebuttal Witness: Paul Griffin returns to the stand, this time in front of the jury.

Julie was 4 years older than him. Growing up in the Griffin household. They were family-oriented. Julie was a caregiver to him and younger brother Patrick. His parents were active in family, camping, Boy Scouts, Dad was Scout Leader about 10 years.

Today, he has a beautiful wife, 3 children 14, 15, 7. Wife is an elementary teacher in Kenosha. He is a mechanical designer. He designs battery-operated tools for mechanics.

Music was a big part of his family. Julie and Michael played the accordion. His dream was to become a drummer for the accordion band. He plays drums and percussion part time and teaches drums part time. He teaches in his basement studio. He does free-lance work and St. Joe's orchestra.

Mother: Suffered from alcoholism. He became aware of that after Julie's wedding when she passed out. He found out a week later it was due to alcohol withdrawal.

No history of depression in the family. No signs Julie was depressed. After Julie married Mark, they became very close. They talked on the phone almost weekly. They became closer due to Mom's alcoholism. Julie went to Al-Anon to help her cope with it.

Julie advised him on how to cope with the addiction. He and Julie resolved to help their mother by confronting her. They did this. At the time only Julie and Paul lived in Kenosha.

It was difficult because the other brothers lived out of town and couldn't help as much.

After the wedding, the mother spent a month in rehab in Milwaukee. She died in 1991. She had regressed and started drinking again.

Mark Jensen: Jan.1999 Phone conversation with Mark. He was leaving to get meds From Dr. Borman. She was sleeping when he left and when he got back. Mark said she was vomiting and couldn’t keep anything down on Wed. On Thursday, she couldn’t even sit up in bed, couldn’t speak, was “grunting.” She continued to vomit, was very thirsty, but couldn’t drink anything.

Wife and he received letter from Perry Tarica. Later on that day, they talked with Julie... Julie said she wasn’t going to continue the relationship, she was embarrassed. They were going to see a marriage counselor.

Christmas, 1998. He saw Mark and the boys. Mark gave him some presents that Julie had bought before she died. The presents were for his children (2). They received personalized Christmas ornaments. They received a picture of sunflowers for their kitchen.

In terms of your mother's unfortunate situation - you said that's something you weren't aware of until Julie's wedding, correct? Yes.

Shortly after that you learned of the cause of her passing out? Correct.

Did you visit her? I went by myself, not with wedding party.

You found out that alcohol had caused her to pass out? Yes.

You found out your mother had a problem with drinking for quite sometime, correct? She never told him how long it had been.

Didn't her drinking cause problems at your home? Not really, she and my dad had arguments, but not anything out of the ordinary. Looking back, I was just seeing marriage problems. I was a kid and I didn't know.

Looking back, you can see that her drinking caused many disruptions at your home? Yes.

Some times these disruptions caused many problems for the Griffin children? Not really. We were kids.

Craig Albee! You POS for asking this!

You were unaware Julie had been treated for depression in 90/91? Right. Didn't know she was under medication.

You are aware that sometimes family members can hide a problem even from close family members? Yes

When you found out about your mother's alcoholism you were 21? 22. Old enough to recognize the signs of it? Yes. Yet you had no idea that was at such a level she could pass out from withdrawal? Yes. She was concerned about being a good mom and being in the best condition for Julie's wedding? Unfortunately that led to her condition.

Your mother died in 1991 - how old was she? 61.

What were the circumstances of her death? She was found in the swimming pool in the retirement village where they lived. His father drug her out of the pool and resuscitated her. She had passed out and fallen into the pool, was in the hospital and recovering. She actually died - I don't know how many days later - from fluid building up in her lungs and pneumonia. There was a thought that her accident was due to her alcoholism? Yes.

Mom was a stay at home mom? Yes. She had a difficult time when her kids left? Yes. Very attached to them.

You were here when your brother Pat testified? Yes. You would agree with his characterizations that your mom had high and low moods? Yes - she would get upset with me for not picking up my dirty clothes.

You never saw her alcoholism in her relating to you? No she was a good mother.

Julie chose only to drink rarely? Correct.
That was because of the experience of seeing your mother? Yes.

What were the problems Julie saw that made her worry about following that same path? Just alcoholism - Julie was aware that it was something that could run in a family, so she was aware of it and didn't want to have the same thing.

That was Julie's position before your mom passed out at the rehearsal? Not aware of that.

Don’t know when Julie found out about Mom's alcohol issues.

From Mr. DeFazio's statements, you know about your father's alcohol problems? Don't know that.

Did Julie ever discuss with you why she felt her grandfather was an alcoholic? No.

You had an older brother who passed away at a young age? Yes. You understand that was due to kids piling on him? Yes

Albee: Did she ever care for your children? Not really.
Last saw her at his son’s birthday party in August. Spoke to her a few weeks before her death. Saw her about 10-12 times a year. They were both busy with their children’s lives. Might see each other twice a week, then not for a few weeks. He can’t assess, except by phone, how she was doing between August and December. She wanted to have another child, she was concerned about youngest child going to school... she enjoyed being a stay at home mom. Wasn’t aware she had her tubes tied.

Was Julie capable of tough love - she could put her foot down with your mother? Yeah.

Were you aware your sister had counseling when she was in college? No.

You saw that Mr. DeFazio, based on his conversation with Julie, felt that your mother fit a dual diagnosis? Not that I recall

Albee desperately wants to get in stuff about Julie's mother being depressed!

In conversation with Mark in 2000 - OBJECTION! JUST A MOMENT! LAWYERS.

Jury sent out.

Judge says HE DOES IT TOO... Jambois didn't want the question to come out of Albee's mouth...

Albee complains about Jambois' speaking objection! Judge says I keep saying "just a moment" and you keep talking.

ALBEE CALLS FOR MISTRIAL! Due to Jambois' "speaking objections".

Jambois said he objected because he didn't want the question to come out - self-serving statements about Mark Jensen. He didn't ask anything about what Albee was asking about......

Albee says that's not where he was going. The problem with the objection is "hearsay" and not "self-serving"...

Judge says he agrees to a certain degree....Albee keeps up his rant.

Jambois is reading part of the statement about the phone conversation between Mark and Paul Griffin. What he read doesn't come in under doctrine of completeness.

Judge agrees with Jambois - not covered under completeness. Albee fighting like a mad man to get this in!

And arguing like mad with the judge! Judge isn't going to have this. He just cannot understand why this is coming in. Mark is telling a story of what his wife's condition was on the Wednesday; he's relating what he knew.

Judge says, no - not swayed by what Albee is saying. Judge says it's talking about a different time period. Albee says that's the time we're talking about. Jambois was talking about the time of going to see Dr Borman onward. Albee is talking about the time period from before she went to see Borman.

Two different things he said - one is what he said and one is what he heard. Judge says this is self-serving statement.

Albee now says he needs a moment.
Albee is asking for a transcript. In the interview with Det Ratzburg, Mark said Julie was sitting up in bed on Thursday morning, said goodbye to the kids, breathing is shallow. But Paul said Mark told him Julie was unable to speak, only grunt. Albee can question Paul about this.

Jambois brings up that there were other conversations where Mark had said Julie was unable to move and he had to prop her up in bed.

Discussions back and forth about conversations had, on this day or that day.

Albee asks about the letter sent to Paul's home - how'd Perry know to send it to you? Apparently Julie had told Perry about his wife and him.

Did you know Julie had filed for divorce? Yes. Did she tell you it was because of this individual? No.

So that affair was secret from you until this letter showed up at your home? Yes.

Re-direct

Did Julie tell you the reason she filed for divorce? Yes - she was unhappy because Mark didn't want children, and she wanted nothing more than to be a mother.

Did she tell you why she withdrew the petition? Yes - she told me Mark said to her.....OBJECTION!

Jambois asks for a short recess - jury getting more opportunities for exercise!

HOLY CRAP! Jambois is asking Paul the question outside Jury's presence:

What did Julie tell you was the reason she withdrew the divorce petition? She said Mark told her SHE'D NEVER SEE DAVID AGAIN!!

Now Albee says he never received this in discovery. This has never come in. But Jambois said this is coming up because defense counsel brought up issue of divorce petition. So we should be able to bring it up.

Jambois doesn't remember this statement very clearly, but now that defense brought up the divorce, he thinks he should be able to bring it in!

Judge had said that the defendant has already said he didn't wish to testify, and this might have had a bearing on his decision if he knew it would be brought in.

Judge says his inclination - the statue is that every statement, written or recorded, by the defendant that the DA will use in the trial must be reported to the Defense.

But the statute says "those statements ABOUT THE CRIME". Not necessarily every statement ever made. This is not a statement about the crime, for sure.

But the Judge said he would allow the defense to re-open his case and have the defendant testify, if that's what he wishes.

Albee says he's never heard of this statute only limited to the "crime". Judge asks, "Are you telling me that nothing the defendant uses in his or her whole life has to be told to the defense?"

Albee says he thinks the DA was planning to use this all along.

Judge says that what, they were waiting for is for you to ask a specific question, only to ask this one?

Looks like Albee opened the door to this bit coming in by asking about the divorce petition.

Judge reminds them that the statute reads that the DA has to give notice to the defense of statements they plan to use - written or recorded - about the crime. Albee argues.

Jambois says he wasn't finished! He didn't plan to use it, because it's coming in under re-direct after a question was asked under cross-examination of a rebuttal witness.

Albee is arguing.

Judge says that he understands that Mr. Albee wouldn't have asked certain questions if he'd known this was coming.

If you're in the desert, you don't know when you take a step if there will be a snake about to bite you!

Judge gives Albee the option to re-open his case at this point.

But Albee says he didn't have this notice! It wasn't fair! ! Judge doesn't agree. Jambois is required to give notice of statements about the crime (that's the a part of the statute), or oral statements they planned to use in the course of the trial (that's the b part). They didn't plan to use this; it just came up as a matter of course in the asking of questions.

Ms Gabrielle says she was told this week.

Now Judge is concerned!

But his ruling stands - this statement can come in!

Albee is given the opportunity to RE-OPEN THE DEFENSE CASE IN CHIEF!

Jury brought back in.

The divorce issue is coming in. if the defense wants to counter it, they'll have to reopen their case and put Mark Jensen on the stand. Wow! This trial even has fireworks in the rebuttal!

Jambois: Asks the question -

Julie told me, Mark told her, "You'll never see David again."

David born Jan. 21, 1990. Julie filed for divorce in 1991, just after her affair.

License plate, "My 3 Ds" entered into evidence.

No more questions.

Albee

You said that Julie wanted to divorce Mark cause she wanted children? Yes.
But she already had a child? Yes.

You learned of the affair when you received that letter? Yes.

You received that letter in Jan 1992, so the affair was in 1991? Yes.

Which was the year the divorce petition was filed? Yes.

Finished.

Jambois calls Dr Mary Mainland again.

Since last time you testified, did you have opportunity to see testimony of Dr Barry Rumack and Dr Scott Denton? Yes.

Did you see what Rumack said about the gastromatic test results? Yes. Do you routinely review gastromatigraph test results from Tox labs? Yes In your own lab? Yes.

Is it or is it not common for gastromatic test results to include unknowns?

OBJECTION - Judge says needs embellishment. Every lawyer can make embellishments! Laughter.

Not unusual to include unknowns, no.

Dr Mainland can tell that there were smaller doses instead of one big dose. If she had taken one big dose, she would have been dead earlier than December 3rd.

Now on to the pepper and potatoes in her stomach - small pieces. She didn't see them. Barry Rumack testified she must have had something to eat 5-10 hours prior to her death - you agree? No.

Food leaves the GI tract slower. She could have had that days earlier. Objection - Sustained

Delayed gastric emptying, and vomiting is what could have caused those food particles to still be in her system.

Is it uncommon for tox lab reports to include gastromatigraph slides which in include unknowns? They can send reports that didn't include things they didn't check for.

What was the St Louis lab report on? Ethylene Glycol. The fact that there are unknowns - does it prove anything? No.

What do you think about Dr Rumack's testimony in the regard to this? He used vitreous fluid in a dead person and compared them to the blood levels in a living person's blood.

Now asking about fatty liver. Did Julie Jensen have one? No. She did not.

What's the half-life of EG in the bloodstream? 3-5 hours. Do I take your word, or do you have literature? Objection - 90803.sub18.

Jambois asking the same question, but in a different way.

Albee objects again. Dr Rumack referred to something - a text called "The Salts”? - In order to come up with his statement on half-life of EG. So, Objection is overruled.

Did you consult the "salts" (?) - Yes - half-life is 3-5 hours.

Did you consult other texts? Yes, Ellenhorn. In the same range, around 4 hours.

In the medical field, what is the widely accepted proposition of half-life of EG? 3-5 hours.

Jambois done. Albee up.

IN half-life of EG - you did the research and that's where you found 3-5 hours? Not every textbook said 3-5 hours. Most said in that range. I think I saw one that was an exception to that.

You know that others have said 8.5 hours? Yes, but that study said 2-8 hours.

What was that source? Can't remember, but I have it with me and I can dig it out over lunch.

Why didn't you mention the 8-hour half-life in that source? I am volunteering that now. In the majority of the textbooks, say differently.

You named one textbook? No I named 3.

Albee snarking! Mainland snarking back! Snarkfest!

Albee told to move on.

Jambois objects to document being produced - hearsay and irrelevant. Judge wants to see it. Don't ask a question until I've looked at the paper!

Do you recognize the handwriting? Yes - this says 3-5 hours of half-life. But in your research you said it could be as long as 8 hours? Yes.

One of the things you looked at was a government source.......yes.

A text like Basalt offers limited info about each compound, right? That’s fair.

There are many resources that analyze EG much more specifically than in the general treatises, right? Yes. Basalt does include references for every compound.

Just like an encyclopedia - it hits the high points.

But these articles take on these issues more in depth, right? Yes, I'd imagine so.

In Health and Human Services study, you recall they say the half-life is between 3-8.4 hours? I read that, but don't recall particular treatise.

Now Albee shows Dr Mainland a paper - does this show that the serum half-life is between 3-8.4 hours? Yes it does. It sites in support two other articles, right? Yes.

Several sources place the half-life in the 8-hour or more range? I guess there are two, now that I know of.

So there are now 3 references? Well, I see two. I don't know what these articles say.

You took a note at the time you were doing your research - that said 8 hours? Yes. It said "as long as".

Another exhibit - Jacobsen article. Journal of Medical Toxicology. He says half-life of up to 8.4 hours of EG? Yes based on 3 samples on one patient.

Gold Frame........ - Indication of half-life of EG is? Aprox 8.5 hours. Never saw that book.

Another document - "Ethylene Glycol exposure. Published in clinical toxicology. By Poison control centers.

Are you familiar with American Poison Control Centers? Heard of them, yes.

Objection - Sustained, now overruled Hearsay. She's never seen it!

She's heard of them - she imagines they're toxicologists. She knows they are a recognized group.

Mainland reading document to herself.
OBJECTION! Hearsay document and hearsay conclusion. They're a recognized authority. Sustained. Judge wants to see.

AAPCC says half-life is 8.5 hours as well? It does.

We have a number of sources that say the half-life is up to 8.5 hours, right? Yes. Key words are "up to".

Now Albee is telling her she didn't consider all the sources of half-life of EG!

She did consider it. She was aware of it.

You relied on DR Long's reports and testimony, to some extent? I relied on his number in his tox report.

Did you rely on anything else Dr Long had to say? Can't remember.

Would you agree with Dr Long's assessment that a half-life of 3-5 hours means it would still be in the blood 21-35 hours? 35 hours is quite a stretch.

Dr Mainland - you've never treated patients who've had EG poisoning? No - I've had 4 of these.

You've never seen anyone who was suffering from EG poisoning? Not that I'm aware of.

You've never seen how they've progressed through stages? Obviously not.

You've never worked with a poison center that has treated EG poisoning? I have.

Have you offered advice to poisons centers about how to treat EG poisoning? No.

What you do is look in books to see what they say? Among other things.

You've never done research on this? I have done it, not for publication, but I have studied cases on my own.

You haven't published anything on this? No.

In your cases, 3 of the 4 were suicides? Yes. One was an accidental ingestion.

You are not a toxicologist? No.

There are people involved in medicine who have devoted their lives to the specialty of toxicology? Certainly.

Those people will have greater knowledge and more study than you do? You'd need to be more specific.

In Clinical Toxicology - they have greater education and experience in that field than you do? Yes.

Not a forensic Toxicologist? - No.

You've relied on a literature view in the field in regards to metabolism of EG? Yes

There's much we don't know about EG, right? Yes.

In terms of how long EG would be in the blood in any one case it's difficult to say with certainty? I disagree. We don't have absolute parameters but we have some pretty reproducible results.

Albee is stuck on trying to get in the 8.5 hour half life, cause it's imperative for him to prove Dr Mainland was wrong in her assessments of the dosage Julie ingested, and when she ingested it!

He is like a dog with a bone here! Will not let it go.

And she's sticking to her guns here.

Albee pulling' his hair out because he cannot shake Dr Mainland!

She assumed Julie was average in how her half-life of metabolism of ethylene glycol.

Now onto Basalt Text source. It says .3 g per liter to 4.3 g per liter in blood concentration of EG in fatal cases. Julie was below this?

Often requires more judgment than just relying on ranges in textbooks? Not only judgment but also scientific knowledge.

Dr. Mainland is back on the stand after lunch.

Albee is still talking about Basalt and fatal EG concentration.
Mainland: in 9 fatal cases
Albee: Textbook ranges aren’t 100%, they speak in generalities?
Mainland: Sometimes
Albee presses on about this issue. We’re going around in circles. Now he’s mentioning 1 of the cases in Basalt. One person had EG in system up to 48 hours with higher level than this case.

Mr. Albee: One case isn’t enough to prove your case!

We don’t know if Julie ingested alcohol (ethanol) at the time she ingested ethylene glycol.

Mainland: One of the toxicology labs looked for it and didn’t find it.

Albee: Had one dose about midnight and a drink with it/mixed with it. Would prolong the half-life of EG?

Mainland: Variable according to the amount of alcohol.

Albee: Alcohol would be out of the system in 48 hours?

Mainland: If taken around midnight, then yes.

Albee: 30 mil. dosage fatal... one case?

Mainland: more than one

We’re back to Basalt....

Albee: She hasn’t seen lower than 30? No

Mainland: Half-life... she doesn’t want to use longer half-life! - Not really

There are questions about whether or not she relies on lab results without reviewing the results. She usually doesn’t (she usually believes the lab results as sent to her).

She doesn't ask for unknowns in all cases. She said they were never asked to identify the unknowns.

Albee refers back to the Stallings case. Haven’t we been here before?

Mainland says it’s important to double-check results. She would want to know what the unknowns are. She says she has results from other labs.

Half-life of glycolic acid is 7 hours (not 19 hours Albee asks). She doesn’t know what by-product of it has a half-life of 19 hours.

Albee is driving me nuts with the straws of half-life upon which he is pulling.

Ex. 337: Another learned treatise on Glycolic Acid. Dr. Mainland’s read a number of papers, spoken with a toxicologist. She doesn’t know upper range of half-life of glycolic acid. It’s possible there is disagreement. Its half-life is longer than for ethylene glycol in one of the two cases.

Albee: Isn’t it different the taste of antifreeze and drinking a lot of it? Never drank it! Made tongue dry. No bitter after-taste. She just felt a little thirsty, but her tongue was not a little numb.

Albee... drink a glass and see for yourself!

She is given a New England Journal of Medicine article.

Up to 2/3 of patients who commit suicide see a doctor within a month of death.

Mainland has no contradictory information at her hands.

She says she didn't testify that this is true of the elderly!

Albee: Is she aware that of 80% of people who consume EG are of suicidal intent? Yes

Rest are accidental? Yes

Depression is a factor in most suicides?

Jambois: In general, what is the 1/2 life of EG...? 3-5 hours
Is she familiar with bell curves? Yes but hated bio-statistical math. (So do I!)

Albee objects to bell curve - leading overruled

Jambois asks her to mark where 3-5 appear on the bell curve.

Albee objects (overruled)

Can't draw a bell curve here! She marks a large portion of the curve, leaving the smaller sections out.

The small numbers at either end are called "outriders."

Jambois mentions the Jacob's article.

Mainland explains that the subjects were receiving medical attention. The medical attention prolongs the half-life. 20% are directly excreted, 80% is metabolized through the liver. The medical attention keeps EG from being metabolized. The "antidote" keeps the liver enzymes "busy" so they leave the EG alone. These patients will be on the right-hand side of the bell curve.

AHA! Jambois scores a major point here. Albee was trying to get Dr Mainland to give on the half-life of EG, because if Julie could be on the larger half-life end of EG was in her system, it would point to a larger, one time dose. But shorter half-life points to smaller doses meted out over a longer period of time.

Now Jambois pointed out that those who receive medical intervention for EG poisoning have longer half life of EG in their systems, because the meds given to them cause the enzymes in the liver to bind with the medicine and ignore the EG, which makes it stay around longer, but become less toxic.

Julie received no medical intervention, and since there were no meds in her system to allow her liver enzymes to bond with, the EG had a shorter half-life.

The quantity of EG ingested affects the 1/2 life.

Back to Mr. Albee: The longest 1/2 life w/med. intervention... is 8 1/2 hours?

Mainland - She didn't say that...

Albee: refers to her note of 3-8 hours....
Mainland: thinks it's only from 1 source. She wants to see her notes. It IS from one source... Orange Journal.

Albee asks her to find it. It says "peak" is usually 1-4 hours. She sings a bit. Oh my goodness... it says 3-5 hours! She could be wrong, could be more than one source. She'd have to read the article.

She starts to read and Albee moves on....

Jambois objects!

Albee decides he doesn't want to waste time...

Albee: Do you want me to show you them (the articles) again? No! I don't... She'd have to check references and footnotes.

Would it be in the upper teens w/medical intervention? I didn't say that. It could be if antidote and dialysis used.

Albee shows her another article. 3.0-8.4 hours in UNTREATED adults in this reference.

He's getting snarky again!

Back to Jacobson article.... Mr. Jambois mentioned it was about ...... even Dr. Mainland is getting so confused as to what she read where, I don't blame her!

I have figured out Albee's grand master plan! Confuse EVERYONE TO DEATH!

Mainland's seen more articles saying 3-5 vs. 3-8 hours.

Albee charges she is using figures favorable to the pros. NO!

Albee asks if she's ever read in these articles that 8.5 is an outrider?

Albee asks her about % of people who fall in average range on a bell curve. Answer.... there are no statistics.

Albee questions the validity of the bell curve vs. another sort of distribution (my words, his idea)

Albee: What statistics do you have that allow you to have a curve like this? Majority of references that say 3-5 hours.

Of 100 people: how many fit 3-5 hours? This question starts a flurry of statistical merry-go-rounding... remember, this is first and foremost a legal circus!

Mainland - if you follow the bell curve?

Albee - no

Mainland - can only go by my references and the number of cases I've seen.

Mainland: Well, throw out the curve, I never wrote it!
Albee: It might be funny if a man weren't on trial here for homicide!

Albee: I'm done!

Jambois rests his rebuttal case!

Judge: Sur-rebuttal?

Albee: I need a break!
LOL! That can be taken a few ways!

Judge: Court on break for undetermined duration.....

Oooh... no sound, but angry looking Albee slamming stuff around!

Ooh, No sur-rebuttal by Albee

EVIDENCE IS CLOSED!

Well, we're in the home stretch. All they need to do is enter the evidence into the record. And, any last-minute legal wrangling over various things.

1) Having the alternates hanging around instead of discharging them?
Jambois: I have no objection with that, but I don't know if that's permissible
Judge: If there are medical issues, the only choices would be to have a replacement juror, or have a new trial
Jambois: The only verdict that can be received without stipulation is a unanimous verdict by a jury of 12. We could agree to a verdict by a jury of 11, or agree to allow one of the surplus jurors to join in deliberations. But the only way that would happen is if there is agreement to it.
Albee: I don't know. At this stage I'd never agree to stipulating to 11, and in advance. Not prepared to decide on this right now, but would it have been better to agree on this before trial instead of at the time. It certainly as to the 11 jurors, is something that can be determined at the time so we don't need to figure it out now.
Judge: I can't cram it down anybody's throat at this point. We'll talk about it at the appropriate time.

2) Selecting the jurors - put all 19 names in the computer, and the names come up in random order. The first 7 are dismissed.
Jambois: Aren't the first 12 seated?
Judge: Don't know right now, we'd need to decide ahead of time!
Albee: Instructions say that first 7 who come up on the list are dismissed.

Jury Instructions:

The judge goes through standard instructions. Several are being removed by agreement by Jambois and Albee.

The jury will not be sequestered during deliberations!

See you for the closing arguments on Monday. Have a great weekend!
donchais

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Mark Jensen Murder Trial: Both Sides Rest!

Both sides have rested in the Mark Jensen case. The defense did not present a surrebuttal case. Judge Schroeder is reporting that the evidence is closed in this case. The jury has been sent out on a break and is not listening to current arguments by counsel. Discussions are now ongoing regarding sequestering the jury beginning Monday night, as well as the implications if the alternates are released and they lose a juror during deliberations.

Stay tuned for further updates.

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Natalee Holloway: Joran van der Sloot will NOT be rearrested!

Updated!
CNN.Crime is reporting:

An appeals court in Aruba has ruled that a Dutch college student should not be rearrested in the disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway.

But the investigation remains open, prosecutor Dop Kruimel told The Associated Press on Friday.
The Court of Appeal announced Thursday "its decision to uphold the refusal by the investigating judge to order pre-trial detention" of Joran van der Sloot.

I think any hope of justice for Natalee is long gone. What does it take in Aruba to go after someone? Evidently, it takes more than a confession on video tape. Although the investigation remains open I feel that is of little consolation to Beth Twitty. Unless van der Sloot goes directly to the police and confesses, or Holloway's body is found I think this investigation is permanently stalled. Does anyone out there know if the waters around Aruba are still being searched?

Update: February 15th, 8:06 pm
Here is a blog that discusses in detail the progress of the ocean search.

Bobby Cutts Murder Trial: Verdict Reached!

Newsnet5 is reporting a verdict has been reached and will be read at 10:40 am. I will be blogging about it in real time.


We see movement in the courtroom, and we have sound. I'm hoping my connection stays stable. Nope. It's still the wonky camera operators. We can see that a still photographer is setting up his tripod, and there is sound in the background.

I ask donchas how she is feeling and she says her stomach is in knots.

We hear the Judge is concerned that, "The sound is still on," and then we lose sound.

What a way to end the week. Last night, there was a guest on the Cleveland paper "shoutout" chat room who said a verdict had been reached. I didn't know whether or not to believe it. Anyone can say anything anonymously and they did not have to identify themselves in the chat room. The individual just posted as "Guest," which many do.

donchais here!
These are the charges against Cutts:

AGGRAVATED MURDER

2929.04(A)(5) DEATH PENALTY SPECIFICATION

2929.04(A)(7) DEATH PENALTY SPECIFICATION

2903.01 (B) AGGRAVATED MURDER

2929.04(A)(5) DEATH PENALTY SPECIFICATION

2929.04(A)(7) DEATH PENALTY SPECIFICATION

2929.04(A)(9) DEATH PENALTY SPECIFICATION

2903.01(C) AGGRAVATED MURDER

2929.04(A)(5) DEATH PENALTY SPECIFICATION

2929.04(A)(7) DEATH PENALTY SPECIFICATION

2929.04(A)(9) DEATH PENALTY SPECIFICATION

2911.11 (A) (1) AGGRAVATED BURGLARY F1

2927.01 (B) GROSS ABUSE OF A CORPSE F5

2927.01 (B) GROSS ABUSE OF A CORPSE F5

2919.22 (A) ENDANGERING CHILDREN M1

D: The families have entered the court!

S: The courtroom has filled up! It appears that the Judge addressed the families. And, it looks like there are complicated seating arrangements. Looks like the press was just let in.

D: Oh, my gosh! It's really happening.

S: Cutts has just been brought in. There is now a sound overlay reporting. The jurors took a smoke break, and then there was a verdict. Looks like Newsnet5 switched to live cameras, and not the computer run camera.

S: They will go live in the courtroom as soon as the Judge hits the sound I expect. Patty looks wiped out.

S: We are live! The Judge is speaking, everyone is there. Cutts is looking nervous. If anyone makes a cough, they will be removed. Judge is going to great lengths to try to maintain order. No interviews or photographs inside the Start County courthouse. Families will be escorted outside the courthouse so they can meet with the media.

S: The camera moves back and forth from Cutts to Patty Davis. The jurors are going to be let in now. Donchais says, "Wow! Look how many sheriffs they have."

S: Judge will ask the jurors some questions, and he put some information on the record. The jurors were sequestered under the supervision of his bailiffs. Jurors had no TV, radios, etc., and they were on a separate floor. Their telephone calls were monitored.

S: Have each one of you been sequestered during the duration of the trial. Have any of you NOT been sequestered during the trial. No affirmative response. During that time, were you under the influence of outside influences. Or were any of you, having outside influences that affected your verdict. No affirmitave response. Has anyone had any communication with you from the court, except when you were here in the court on the record? Or have any one of you received any information? There is not an affirmative response. More questions along this lines. Has anyone tried to influence your verdict in the jury room. No affirmative response.

S: A question is put to the alternates. No affirmative answer.

S: Juror # 492 was the foreperson. It's a male voice.

S: The Judge leafs through the verdict forms. More questions to the forperson about sequestration.

S: Donchais says, "Cutts isn't looking so cocky today. This better be guilty." I guess you can tell where she stands!

Count one: NOT GUILTY!

GUILTY on lesser count!

Count two: GUILTY!

Specification one to count two: Guilty! Unlawful termination of pregnancy.

Specification two to count two: Guilty! With aggravated burglary.

Specification three to count two: Guilty! Causing the death of unborn fetus under 13 years of age.

Count three: GUILTY! Aggravated murder!

Specification one to count three: Guilty!

Specification two to count three: Guilty!

Specification three to count three: Guilty!

Count four: GUILTY! Aggravated burglary!

Count five: GUILTY! Gross abuse of a corpse! (Jessie)

Count six: GUILTY! Gross abuse of a corpse! (Baby Chloe)

Count seven: GUILTY! Endangering children! (Blake)

S: So the question is, is Cutts eligible for the death penalty?

Trial now moves forward to the sentencing phase. And yes, he is still eligible for the death penalty. He doesn't avoid it.


Judge is speaking. Anything anyone wants to put on the record? The Judge is going to poll the jurors on each count.

Oh man, this will take awhile.

Many of the verdict forums were dated February 14th.

Donchais says, "The fact that he still faces death, I'm happy." I've never been a proponent of the death penalty, so I will be watching to see how the penalty phase plays out.

Wow. Newsnet5 cut their live camera feed, and we are now back to the computer camera feed.

Cutts is quite still. He has hardly moved or made an expression through all this polling of the jury. Cutts's attorneys whisper and confer during the jury polling.

Donchais and I wonder if new evidence can be presented at the penalty phase.

The jury has exited the courtroom. State, defense, anything you wish to put on the record at this time? The attorneys and Judge are conferring. Cutts was just looking over at his family. Now Cutts is looking over at the gallery again.

Attorney's are now sitting down. Defense now has a matter to bring to the Judge's attention. Judge asks Ranke to go to the podium.


We believe the jury's finding is inconsistent. Has to do with the specification of the findings, and the defense is requesting a mistrial. The jury has lost it's way, and we are asking to find a mistrial.

Mack now addresses the court. It appears that the jury is very confused. Because of the dates of the signings of the jury forms, the jury is very confused as to the aggravated burglary.

CRAP! Both donchias and I lost our feed. It froze. Back live. The Judge is quoting some cases about inconsistencies in verdict counts. The courtroom sound is terrible. They switched to outside the courtroom live and then switched back. We are back on the Judge.

Judge rules that they are NOT legally inconsistent verdicts.

Judge now asking the family of Cutts and the family of Davis to leave at this time. Everyone else asking to leave. And the feed to the courtroom has been cut, to go to an on air live report.

Donchais and I believe that Newsnet5 doesn't know WTF their doing.

There is now a live feed to outside the courtroom that they are feeding to TV.

Cutts's family chooses not to speak to the media at this time. Cutts's mother had a scarf over her face.

Crap. No sound. Don't forget that Newsnet5 is "pioneering" this live coverage.

Jessie's family will get to testify during the sentencing phase.

Defense attorney Mack: They are still under gag order. Once mitigation is over, then he can talk. Mack can't comment. Ranke, "We are all remaining strong and continuing our fight for Mr. Cutts." Mack, "....need to comply with the gag order at this time."

There were some tears on Bobby Cutts's side, but most were very silent, no emotion when the verdicts were read.

We are waiting to see if Jessie's family will speak to the press.

Donchais and I are not getting any pictures from Newsnet5, so maybe her family decided not to speak. If there's any news, we will try to bring it to you asap.

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Thursday, February 14, 2008

Bobby Cutts Murder Trial: Deliberations

The jurors in the Bobby Cutts murder trial deliberated until 9:50 pm ET without reaching a verdict. CNN's In Session corespondent on the scene, Beth Karas, was kind enough to give me this brief update via email:

The jury went to the hotel to "freshen up" from 4:30-6:00. They intended to return at 6 and deliberate while eating dinner. Dinner was ordered but when jurors returned to the courthouse, they decided to eat downstairs (and not deliberate). They resumed deliberations at 7:00 pm. At 9:30 pm, we were told they were still hard at work. No notes.

I have to say that I am impressed with this jury and the Ohio court in Stark County for letting this jury deliberate late into the evening. I'm actually quite surprised by this, but maybe that's because we do things differently here in Cali. I was in the courtroom for a day or two of deliberations in the Spector trial. Those jurors couldn't wait to get out of that jury room when 4:00 pm came around! In California courthouses ~ at least in Los Angeles County ~ building security is managed by the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department. For a jury to be able to deliberate past 4:00 pm, the County would have to compensate quite a few sheriffs via overtime pay to maintain security for the building. I just can't see that happening, at least, not at the downtown courthouse. Maybe in some of the other outlying courthouses, but no way in downtown LA.

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Mark Jensen Murder Trial

Guest entry by ritanita and Intrepid. Trep did a Herculean job today!

Day 27 – 2/14/08

First witness today for the defense - law clerk or legal secretary Ms Brown.

Talks about meeting Aaron Dillard on a dating website, says he's a liar and a conman.

No cross exam by prosecution.

Dr. Barry Rumack:
He didn't have his records about his fees last time he came to testify and didn't review his fees beforehand.

He didn't have a chance to review Albee's records.

He has now reviewed them and found that he received a total of $16,750 for his services through the end of 2007. He received $6,750 in 2007. His invoices summarize the nature of his services for that year.

Rumack seems very perturbed that he has to come back and answer these questions.

Now he's being shown copies of his invoice dated August 22, 2007(produced by Albee's office). For $2,625. For review of records, phone calls. Also shown copy of canceled check.

Another invoice - October 4, 2007 - $4,125 - for review of records, review of literature, depositions, phone call.

When you were here last week you testified that you recalled that your last invoice had been for 4,600? Yes.

Is what you had in mind the one on Oct 4? Yes

He testified to receiving 2 invoices - for 4,600 and 2,500.

When he was on the stand the first time, he said he didn't make much money on the case, just enough to by some stuff for his grandchildren.

Did the invoices you mention come from 2007?
Yes, he was referring to them.
Since then he remember he received $5000 in 2002 and $5000 in 2003.

He didn't remember them! (Remember, the Judge said he should have been prepared for this!)

The 2002 payment was for anticipated services. He performed these services about that time.
He received 16 materials that were sent along with the retainer.

The 2003 payment was for anticipated services.

June 2004- June 2007 he performed any specific services, although he met with Albee once or twice.

Are these fees a significant part of your income for professional fees? No

$106,000 2007
$166,000 2003
$186, 000 2002

He doesn't have specific numbers for 2004, 2005, 2006, as he didn't work on the case then. He knows it was in the six figures each year.

What is his $500/hr. fee for: it is the same as for other similarly qualified people.

Rumack was reviewing material for the case the last time he testified. He would never give an opinion he wouldn't believe in because he was being paid by a party.

Cross: Jambois points out this is his business.

He normally doesn't charge ahead of time, but he did in this case. He reviewed documents in the case in 2002. Same for 2003. He didn't work until paid in this case.

Jambois: You forgot? Yes.

When asked 1st time, he answered $500/hr., then said $4600 for last invoice he sent.
Jambois says he let it go after cross. On re-cross he asked how much he'd been paid for the entire trial to date. He answered there is one previous one. How many invoices did you send? 2 Do you remember how many? 2 Asks how much have you been paid, Rumack had answered $4500. He didn't have his billing records with him? No

Jambois goes on reading from the trial transcript and it is clear to me that Rumack, when asked about how much he was being paid was a bit devious. He first gives hourly fee, then last invoice, then last 2 invoices! He had to remember how much he charges for a standard retainer!

Done.

Jambois doesn't want Albee to go past the point in the transcript previously stipulated.

Albee wants to play part of the video.

Judge: they'll bypass the stipulation and see what the records say

Physical state of Julie Jensen in recorded statement available to Dillard to come up with what he testified to. This comes after page 140 (where stipulation ends).

Judge: We'll have to take it statement by statement.

Jambois: His objections go from p. 140 on.

P.140 - Jambois OK
He objects to the rest.
Albee: all questions Ratzburg asks on a certain page (something about Julie possibly having something in Julie's throat that she had been choking on).
Judge: What did Dillard say about this?
Albee: He turned her over
Judge: That's earlier in this transcript. Overruled

Jambois objects to all... he stands by the stipulation. They have to go back and check the transcript. So, they need to go through EVERY question Albee wants to ask, then... Jambois will object to them all.

Albee: She wasn't breathing well on her back... would she breathe better turned over? Talks about head in nose and pillow... allowed

Jambois continues his objection.

Albee: reads off pages and lines. Jambois has no objection other than his standing objection.

For the most part, Jambois doesn't mind the information in these pages, I just think that there's other information on the tape he objects to but would come in by the playing of the video. Albee probably combed through the transcript for the key words he was looking for. Jambois' point is that this material is in the original stipulation.

Here's a good example: One page, Mark denies putting a pillow over Julie's face and this doesn't correspond with what Dillard said. Jambois points out that it is hearsay and the judge says it's not the source of Dillard's testimony.

Jean Casarez mentions a portion of the video past page 140 in which a crying Mark concedes that perhaps Julie was so miserable, wanting to die, that he let her die.
They haven't found the stipulation yet.

Shelly Rush - another character witness for Dillard's "honesty." She submitted an affidavit via e-mail.

An asst. DA is speaking to this for Mr. Albee. He believes it can be admitted for character evidence.

The law considering immunity is not good because it can cover anything from AA groups and neighborhoods.

Ms. Rush makes all sorts of comments about Dillard that are negative but don’t come from her personal knowledge. Reputation testimony is not subject to hearsay and if a large number of people tell you bad things about someone, it can help you form an opinion about someone.

Jambois says it’s inadmissible and cites case law. The case is extremely similar to that in this case.

Ms. Rush doesn’t know Mr. Dillard, and when she made it she didn’t know him. He didn’t object to competent testimony from previous witnesses, but while Ms. Rush (who is an Asst. DA!) is a very credible witness, she didn’t have a basis for this, she only relied on documents about Mr. Dillard.

Judge asks if he has a client on trial, and someone reads the paper every night about the case, does that mean this person could be called as a witness about your client's character? No. Judge doesn't allow Ms Rush's affidavit.

Jambois now says he objects to anything coming in past the stipulation.

So the affidavit is record, but not evidence.

Now it's the battle about allowing in the portions of the taped interview of Mark Jensen by Det Ratzburg, and Jambois is battling hard to keep it out. It would be self-serving statements, and he should be able to cross-examine Mark Jensen on these statements if they're admitted!

Albee wants the stuff in about Thompson extorting commissary goodies from Mark Jensen in jail......he wants statements allowed in that will reconfirm this.

Judge remembers certain things about reports of Mr. Thompson trying to get money from Mr. Jensen, and now they want to go back and read the transcripts or records for what was discussed in chambers.

Jambois recalls going to the jail to see David Thompson about Mark Jensen saying to him he wanted a witness "Sat upon". He describes going to the jail and getting in to see him.

Jambois listened to the phone conversations between Mark and Kelly, in which it was evident to Jambois that both Mark and Kelly were engaged in a conspiracy to do something about Ed Klug! So he pursued David Thompson again.

Albee now tells judge about the conversations he'd had with Jambois on the phone about this. He was concerned about Mark Jensen being extorted for his commissary.

Now Ms Gabriel gets up and gives her recollections about it. She says Mr. Albee was kind of vague about it, but she does not remember Albee saying Thompson extorting money from Mr. Jensen.

Now the judge gives his recollections of the situation - he remembers them going to his conference room and telling him these things, particularly concern about Mr. Jensen's safety. Judge said to Jambois, "Bob, can you take care of this?"

ALBEE SAYS HE WILL GET ON THE STAND AND TESTIFY! HE KNOWS WHAT WAS SAID, SO HE'LL GET ON THE STAND AND SAY IT! Judge says, "Well, shall I get up and testify too?"

Albee is arguing with the judge about when it was who knew what. Judge is saying what Albee wants entered in, as evidence is hearsay, Albee says "NO IT'S NOT!"

Jambois says we still haven't heard who contacted Albee - Jambois said it was Dan Jensen who contacted Albee, not Mark. Albee won't say who contacted him.

Disharmony in the Jensen family over all this......

Jambois makes it clear that there was no disagreement about the document he's holding - if Guilloti showed up and ........Albee breaks in and said no there was no disagreement.

Jambois doesn't see the need to have Albee testify, but if he does then he should expect a cross exam about who contacted his office about the Thompson issue, because he'd ask if it was Dan Jensen who contacted them and not Mark.

Albee squirms like a worm on a hook!

Jambois is sure Dan Jensen called Albee. I think Albee is really, really trying to push this! Under oath, he'd have to waive some of his privilege?

This whole discussion is right out of Mondo Bizarro!

Why is it important to the prosecution that Dan Jensen called Albee's office about the Thompson goodies extortion? Why is it so imperative that Albee keeps that information out?

And why did Jambois say that he'd heard a phone conversation where someone said "You're lucky your mother wasn't sent to jail over this".

This whole Jensen family are a piece of work, I tell ya!

Albee proposes an alternative stipulation. He removes mention of Jensen.

Jambois thinks it's irrelevant.

Judge says it won't come in!

The jury brought in a special lunch today, they want to eat early. They also sent out chocolate covered strawberries if the lawyers stipulate to "be nice."

Court will resume at 12:45 Wisconsin time.

Dr Borman on the phone to allow Mr. Albee to ask further questions.....

Judge reminds him of his oath, though he is on the phone.

Albee: Some reports were introduced regarding your care of Mark Jensen - regarding September 3, 1998 notation. Julie called to obtain Zyban for Mark to stop smoking.....Objection on leading, sustained.

Borman: 9/3/98 Zyban for stop smoking? Gave authorization for 150 mg. Julie initiated that call.

Albee: Zyban known as other name? Yes "Wellbutrin", anti depressant/anti anxiety. Doesn't know generic name.

On October 11, 1998 - Mark Jensen "Nicotrol inhaler" would like to ok with Dr Borman. Authorized 42 of them. Six-week course.

Mark initiated that call.

Later that day - nurse talked with pharmacist. Mark wants nasal spray instead of inhaler. Authorized.

Unclear who talked with pharmacist.

Dr Borman says his staff carries out a lot of notations, but it said Mark wanted a nasal spray instead of inhaler. Dr Borman didn't talk to Mark. Doesn't know who called in.

Nov 11, 1998. Note in margin - *OBTW - Mark did not call. Came from visit on 12/14/98. Under medication part - Robitussen, "off Zyban due to side effects". "No nicotrol spray". Mark told him he didn't call regarding the nicotrol inhaler. Mark stopped the Zyban due to side effects.

Was Mr Jensen prescribed Librium? Yes - he had a long-standing problem with GERD and esophageal spasm, and he used Librium for the spasm on occasional basis. He refilled the prescription on 12/14. Librium also used as anti-anxiety, tranquilizer, alcohol withdrawal and even seizures.

Finished. No cross.

Ratzburg on the stand.

Albee: You presented a videotape of a recorded statement between you and Mr. Jensen, kreckt? Yes.
Only up to page 140, kreckt? Yes.

Questions to remaining portions of the transcript.......

Now on page 143 - line 12. Did you ask Mark Jensen - you rolled her over, ok? She wasn't breathing well on her back, what makes you think she would breathe better with her face half on the pillow?

Judge instructs jury - what you'll hear is statements by Det Ratzburg questioning the accused, but not offered for the truth of what he's asking, but they're being offered because the defense asked if perhaps Aaron Dillard could have gotten his info from them.

Line 17 - I mean throughout the course of this, you just pushed her head into the pillow a bit...

Line 23 - I mean, could there have been something that you rolled her too far, oh my god I didn't mean to do that and then pushed her back....

Page 145, Line 18 - I mean, did you roll her over by accident, didn't realize it, came back and said Oh my god, I didn't mean to do that......

Page 150 - Line 19-23 - Couldn't have stopped her from breathing just by rolling her over, there had to have been more. Couldn't there have been some pressure on that chest area....

Page 151, line 4-6 - She was weak real weak, ok she was having labored breathing. The kids were concerned, you were concerned?

152 - Maybe when you pulled her over this way, maybe you pushed on her chest.....

153, lines 5/6 - Did you touch her chest or her neck are at all, that we were talking about?

157, lines 3-7 - How do you explain there is petechia in the lungs, how would we explain that now?

23-24 - You could have had your hand over here by the neck now?

158, Lines 1-3 - Because this abrasion resembles a fingernail on the side of the neck, ok? You had your hand there, so that would explain it?

159, lines 3-8 - So there's a slight breaking of the skin, ok? Abrasions are the two key words here. You had your hands up by that neck, so it wasn't a tap.

159, line 25 - Yeah, how do we explain the petechia in the lungs then. There has to be some injury to the heck.

161, line 19-20 Still have to explain the nose part - the head pushed into the pillow. How will we explain that's there?

162 line 4-9 = Something had to push it down There's three things that happened here, Head being pushed, the nose, and some type of contact there in the chest. You were the only one there Mark.

211, line 24-25 - And you can se her with the nose, how it's bent, how you pushed her into the pillow, she's too far into the pillow.

213, lines3-5 Right, she moved, she was on her back. I mean I wouldn't have - I moved her on her side, she's on her stomach (That's a statement by mark)

19-23 - And see, her nose is plastered in there, and there's some other ones that look a little like that with her nose bent, like someone pushed her in there. Mark, it almost looks like it's broken.

Jambois objects to what is coming.

Receipt for Joe's Carpet service - November 9th, 1998. For Jensen home. For the hallway, for 4431.

Certified copy of a transcript - Gateway technical college, for Julie Jensen. 1996 Course taken from August - December. Took a course on human body structure and function. Received an A.

Transcript from U of W Parkside - Fall 1977 - courses Julie took "Bio sciences and human development".

Spring of 1978 - Nutrition and General Chemistry

Summer of 1978 - Principles in human physiology and Death and dying.

No questions

Albee tells judge that there are things that need to be done outside presence of the jury, but subject to completing those, DEFENSE RESTS!

Jambois has rebuttal evidence, but he wants to do the stuff outside jury presence. Judge sends jury out; with hopes they didn't eat all their goodies at lunch!

Judge is informing Mark Jensen of his constitutional right to testify or not testify, that it is his choice. If he decides not to testify, he will instruct the jury not to conclude anything from it.

Mark Jensen is questioned extensively by the judge about all kinds of stuff. Wow. That's certainly detailed!

Has anybody offered you anything?
Has anybody threatened you?
Have you ever been treated for a mental illness?
Where were you born?
Do you want to testify?

Mark Jensen declines to testify. Judge accepts his decision.

Albee wants to discuss some of the things the prosecution will offer - re: Dave Ellis a P.I. hired regarding the harassment the Jensen’s were subject to. Doesn't think that's rebutting anything. Also, some of Mark's statements are in that. Plus, anything what his suspicions were at that time aren't admissible.

Dave Ellis: Investigator hired by the Jensen’s to look into the harassment. Offered to rebut witnesses who testified for the defense that they doubted Mark was doing the harassment. Will testify that Mark’s behavior at the interview was odd, and that he suspected he was leaving the pictures around. He surveilled the truck for one day on a Friday. He also examined photos at police department locker. He will testify that Julie thought the pictures were of her, but that he felt no one could tell who the woman was or where the pictures were taken. He thought they’d be taken from the internet and copied. He felt that whoever chose them had an array to choose from so there would be no way to tell when and where they were taken and that many of the pictures looked similar to Julie. He spoke to Julie that he suspected her husband. Det. Ellis will compare photo printed by Marty Koch is similar to the one he saw at the Pleasant Prairie P.D.

Jambois believes Det Ellis has useful things to say, particularly because he communicated his suspicions to Julie Jensen about the fact that he felt that Mark was the one leaving the pics and making the calls.

Also, the defense witnesses say the letter Julie wrote was "contrived", as part of the suicide/framing plot. This witness would testify to the part that he had told Julie his beliefs.

Judge: Is he a police officer?
Jambois: Used to be.....
Judge: Don't call him detective, then.

He's not going to be allowed to testify to his impressions about the defendant being suspicious or anxious. He could testify to the photograph or printout to the same quality as the one he saw at the police department. He can testify to the objects he saw. Not really sold on anything else.

Jambois asks if he can't testify to what he had told Julie Jensen about the photos?

Albee says he didn't offer any witnesses and testimony about the harassment. Improper rebuttal!

Jambois - He did! I remember Dr Spiro said he'd considered harassment issue, plus Dr Borman!

Albee - We didn't present anything that wasn't a hypothetical!

Jambois - You objected several times about hypotheticals.......

Jambois said Dr Spiro used the harassing pictures and Julie’s feelings Mark was doing it was sign of her delusions.....

Now Jambois is talking about what Dan Jensen said to Mark. He did have a telephone conversation with Mark in 2000......Mark said Julie didn't get out of bed from Tuesday night.

Judge: That's right in the ballpark of what your experts relied on in their testimony!

Albee: BUT NO! THEY CAN'T! THEY DIDN'T! WE DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTS HERE!

Judge: They were cross examined on whether she could get out of bed, whether she could urinate, whether she was vomiting - they were cross-examined at length about that!

Albee: No judge, they weren't cross examined about Paul Griffin's conversation on tape....

FIREWORKS IN JENSEN! AISLE 10!

Albee is saying he didn't provide any of the tape-recorded transcripts to the experts, so they didn't have any disallowed evidence in their list of things to consider.

Also, he didn't give them evidence of Paul Griffin and they're not available to give credence to that tape recording and be cross-examined on them. They were not asked about anything with Paul Griffin, they were not presented with there was evidence of vomiting. Dr Mainland said there was vomiting.....

Judge: Dr Rumack said there was vomiting too!

Albee: But he relied on Dr Mainland's statement for that.

Judge said that the tape recording cannot come in, but a live witness who witnessed the conversation can testify to what they heard in that conversation. But the fact that you didn't provide that tape recording to your experts doesn't keep a live witness from coming in!

Albee: Well, they didn't bring it up on direct...

Re: Laura Koster's statement came in through the defense because Dr. Spiro said Julie was delusional. Jambois had been precluded from introducing it is his CIC.

Judge warns everyone that they're on Week 7, and begs them not to do anything that would make problems.

Albee whines about his state and federal rights to confrontation of a witness, and he wants to get that on record.

Judge is not going to give advisory rulings, and he will follow the law.

Since Mark's sister's statement came in by the defense, he is allowed to testify that Julie told him what Laura said to her... "You don't know what Mark's capable of...” This is new to the jury.

None of the written reports has what Laura Koster said to Julie about not knowing what Mark was capable of.

It all boils down to how credible they feel Thad Wojt is - if they believe his earlier testimony then they'll believe him now.



Albee~

Apparently, neither interview contains the quote. The question is, whether the detective wrote it down!

We go onto a third interview. Wojt reads this one as well. It’s not there either.

He testified at the preliminary hearing he also said nothing about the alleged conversation. Wojt doesn’t remember it. He says he said it before, but doesn’t recall his testimony.

Wojt also states he told them, but it’s not in the reports. One interview lasted 2 hours.

Albee asked that he never brought it up in testimony.
Objection! Witnesses aren't supposed to bring things up.

He complained that what was on the paper was not what he said. Albee points out Wojt signed it.

Albee is still trying trip Wojt up on dates and times. Didn't he learn from the first time that it ain't gonna happen?

Somebody messed up when they didn't put it in their written reports!

When did you tell the DA about it? I told them a long time ago. I told them I was upset that the stuff I was saying wasn't on the paper.

They told him that it wasn't his words, so they didn't write them down.

He says what's in that written statement isn't always his exact words, it's not exact what he said.

Now 9 plus years later this is the first time you've said anything about this in any courtroom....OBJECTIONS SUSTAINED!

The DA chose not to ask you......SUSTAINED! Judge sustained objection before it's given.

It's not in any written note anywhere that contains this statement? I just don't remember.

Yet you claim 9 years later to remember these exact words? No, I said it many times before but they just didn't write it down.

Albee goes SNARK on him.

He says he repeated it numbers of times, but they never wrote it down.

He remembers that the conversation took place after 2, 3 o'clock and he talked to Julie that day, and Julie said Laura came that day and said those things to her.

Albee finished. Jambois back.

It was around 3 o’clock that afternoon? Yes. Julie was still outside and mark wasn't home at the time.

When you and Julie had this conversation - where was it? It was in between our yards. How far away was she from you? 3 or 4 feet. Nobody else there, kids not home. Maybe 30 minutes.

If Det Ratzburg had sat down and written down everything you said about Julie Jensen and Mark Jensen - everything about this case.......Objection - argumentative.

Are there still things you can tell us about Julie Jensen? Yes.

Do you remember how many people you have spoken to about the conversation between Julie and Laura? Probably 2, 3 people. One is his wife. Talked with wife on same day the conversation happened. He also told a couple neighbors....Jambois wants to rephrase. Albee says no. Judge says he can keep answering. He's sure he told some neighbors, because they talked about it all.

He also talked to DA, to Ms Gabrielle, Susan Karaskevich? told Ratzburg in police station.

Albee says he never received this statement. Jambois says he's received every one of them!

Did Ratzburg take down every single statement you made when you told him things? No, that's why I get upset. He was mad because Det Ratzburg didn't put down the things he said.

No further questions - Albee on re-cross.

The statements you have written down - you signed them. You didn't make any corrections? No, but I went and told them they left it out.

But you didn't write any letters to Det Ratzburg about this? No.

But you signed it and left it as is? Yes.

Albee asks to approach.

He's stayed very strong and adamant that he said this and they (the detectives) didn't write it down! But he did talk to Mr. Jambois, Ms Gabrielle, another ADA, and police!

Now Judge is saying what happened in the side bar. Albee said that he says Wojt didn't testify to this in the past, and the DA should have asked about it! Judge said there was no way Albee can say that!

Albee is asking this man to testify to something that a lawyer may not ask! According to Judge.

If this were so important there would be some documentation of it, says Albee!

Judge understands, but to try to impeach this witness that he didn't say it on some prior engagement he won't agree to that.

Jambois wants to go into the fact that Albee suppressed it! Judge said, Oh no - please!

Wow - this is a circus! All because Thad Wojt said something nobody wrote down! And now Jambois said Wojt was upset because the DA wouldn't ask him questions about this!

No further questions of Mr. Wojt. Jambois calls Margaret Wojt to the stand.

Jambois: Do you recall a conversation with your hubby about a conversation he had with Julie about a conversation she had with Laura Koster?

Yes. He told me everything the same day, so it would be that night. Objection! Be specific.

Same day it happened. It was maybe week or week and a half before Julie's death.

He said Laura Said that I lived with mark for 18 years and you don't know what Mark is capable of.

Albee: Do you remember those exact words your husband used 9 1/2 years ago? Yes

Did you talk to him today? No

You’ve been sitting out in the hall with him all day? You knew this was what you were going to be questioned about? No I didn't know what he as going to be asked.
She says she didn't talk about this with her husband about what he was testifying about.

Albee is asking if her husband told her what he was going to be testifying to.......she claims absolutely they did not talk about what they would be testifying to.

Ms Gabrielle only asked her if her husband ever told her about the conversation between Laura and Julie, that Thad told her about. She said yes.

She remembers it spot on. But they didn't talk about this specific conversation.

Albee asks if they've been watching the trial - she says yes.

Jambois calls Terese Di Fazio.

Judge again states that these statements by Laura Koster doesn't prove that Mark killed Julie, so please use these for the purpose they're being given, which is to confirm the fears Julie had.

Jambois asks - if she recalls Julie describing the Laura conversation. Yes she does. She had the conversation with Julie on Wed November 25.

Terese had asked if she had told anyone about her concerns about Mark trying to kill her. She said she'd told Laura - not just my SIL, she's my friend - she told Laura what she'd told Therese, that her husband was trying to kill her and that she was afraid for her life. She said Laura was sympathetic and understanding. Laura said, "Be very careful - you don't know what he can do"!

Albee asks on cross about her typed recollections of her conversation with Julie. Only thing she wrote about Laura was "Julie spoke to her SIL about her fears".

In 2004, you met with ADA - ADA wrote up a summary of facts, but told her that some things weren't allowed from the original statement (from letter). She reviewed that memo; she did call on some corrections but doesn't recall exact points.

Didn't send in anything in writing.

Albee says she didn't say anything about "be very careful" then. ADA didn't quote them exactly, they were just summary notes.

Finished. Jambois calls the Private Investigator Dave Ellis. He'll need to be careful with this one.....

Met Jambois when Ellis was a cop. Was a cop for 8 years. Started a P.I. agency..... "ESI Associates".

In 1996 were you retained by the Jensen’s in your capacity as PI? Yes.

cue smoke, and jazzy sax music

It was late April 1996, PD would sometimes call PIs when it was more appropriate......I made an appointment to meet with the Jensen’s at their home. Present were Mark and Julie Jensen. As were two young tots at the house. (Points out Mark Jensen)

The nature of the conversation was relative to trying to determine who was scattering or placing porno picks around their neighborhood as well as Mark's car at his place of employment.

The discussion was this typically occurred on a Thursday or Friday afternoon, and they determined they would conduct a surveillance of his vehicle the following Friday afternoon.

Didn't catch anybody. Reported that result.

Did you try to find out what sort of Photos was left around the Jensen residence? Yes. I learned several photos were at the Pleasant Prairie PD, so I went and looked at them. I saw about a dozen or so. All were similar - all porno - black and white, appeared to be pictures taken off internet, printed and photocopied.

In my opinion, pics appeared to be very generic in nature as far as subject matter. Nothing in the pics could identify persons in pics. Nothing in background could be identified. It was my thought that someone went to great lengths.....OBJECTION! Stricken.

Subject matter - 2 pics particularly. Woman performing oral sex on a man. Not able to see woman's face. Was it a woman who looked similar to Julie? Similar. Couldn't see the woman's face, or the man's.

Jambois brings up a picture - shows P.I. Ellis. Is this similar to the two you looked at? Similar. Is the manner of production/quality is similar to the ones at PPPD? Similar. Black and White, appearance, content, appeared to have been cut down from a larger sheet of copy paper. On copy paper, not photographic paper. All similar.

Did it come from a photo lab, copier, printer? Appears to be a copy of a photograph. Similar to those I saw in 1996 at PPPD.

On the same day he saw the pics, he called Julie and discussed them with her, regarding if it was her in the photo. She believed they were of her.

He told her that he didn't believe it was of her, he believed it was the intent of the author to....OBJECTION Sustained.

After you'd expressed the view to Julie, what was her reply to you? She felt strongly that the person in the pic was her. He said that he disagreed with her and gave her reason why:

Fact that there was no distinguishing id; nothing in the photo in the background she could place herself in that scenario. Eventually they agreed that she felt it was her, and she was aware of his opinion that it wasn't.

Did you tell her who you thought was doing this? OBJECTION! Sustained. Jambois said this wasn't consistent with Judge's earlier ruling. SIDEBAR

Objection sustained. Did you do any further work for the Jensen’s on surveillance? No.

Invoice presented of invoice of Dave Ellis, PI to the Jensen’s.

Albee on cross.

The two photos you remember - you couldn't identify who was in it? Yes. If you couldn't identify who was in it, how could you tell who it was not?

Albee still asking about the photos. Camera angles, what was depicted, etc. You know these weren't the universe of photos that had been left at the Jensen’s or given to the police. Not aware of what they had or didn't have - I only saw the ones at the PD.

How many photos did Julie say had been left? She didn't say. You weren't looking at the pics with Julie, were you? No. So you can't say if the others were photos of Julie or not? Possible.

By the background in the photos you can't say that was nothing to exclude Julie being in the photo, correct?

Mrs. Jensen would be in the best position to be able to identify herself, her body, right? She said the person in the photo looked like her.

Julie believed that the pictures were of her, and it was his opinion that they were more than likely not of her.

His bill for six hours of work was $180 - $30 an hour. Heck of a lot cheaper than 16,000 grand!

Albee done - Jambois back. What were factors that led you to believe the photos weren't her?

Began to form an opinion as to whom I felt was placing the photographs...

What were the other factors? Photos lacked any detail as far as the individual, the background (room in Jensen home or hotel room), he had discussed with Julie if she was in a room where she thought they could be taken, some discussion as to who they Jensen's felt were the person sending them.....co-worker (Perry Terica).

Other factors? Mark's behavior.

Albee back on re-cross. Why did you inquire about background if you thought it wasn't her? I was trying to determine if the person could be Julie, so I asked if she had ever been in that kind of compromising situation and if there was nothing identifiable in the background.

I asked her in general if that could be her due to the subject matter - she said yes.

About back ground - particular bedroom/hotel room. She said the acts took place with him in the Jensen home.

Pat Griffin is Julie Jensen's youngest brother. He was the only sibling living in Kenosha when Julie died.
Plays piano. Married since '95, two kids (4, 7)

Did you hear the defense expert - Dr Spiro - testify about your family? Does anything he said sound like your family? No.

Larry, Julie, Michael, Paul, Pat. Richie died - they had pics of him. He would have been older than Julie.

Richie died when he was 5. You never piled on top of Richie? No.

What was it like growing up in your family? Parents were really supportive of our activities. Brothers involved with music/art. Mother was talented artist, loved music. Dad never performed but appreciated music. Opera and classical fan. From age of 4 Pat knew he was going to be a musician. Started at 5 playing the piano.

Parents encouraged him - one teacher taught him for free and wouldn't take payment! For years and years! His dad would do handy work for her around the house.

Dad was smart - brilliant engineer, designer. Raised on a farm. He ran his dad's farm when dad had heart attack when he was 18. He would go to school and skip 2nd period to take care of the farm.

Worked at AMC all his life, as engineer. Making a decent income. But AMC engineering department moved to Detroit, Michigan. He took a large pay in cut at AMC to work in another division so he wouldn't have to move his large family to Detroit.

Oh! He's the brother who tried to commit suicide! I feel so bad that he had to listen to Albee's description of this. It must be so painful for him to talk about it.

Pat was a boy scout growing up. Went camping every month and at least once a year went for a week long camp. Dad was very active in the scouting.

Heard yesterday about a brother of Julie who was found in the bathtub with his wrists cut - this was pat. He was 16 years old kid and made a really stupid decision.

He'd turned 16 on June 12, the second week in July he played in a musical, "God spell". Fun musical, had religious overtones. Fairly intense. Moving experience. On opening weekend he went to the party and had freedom with keys to the car.

He came home late - around 2:30, dad was upset and met him at front door. Dad was abrupt with him "Where have you been? Do you know what time it is?" Threatened to take his keys away. Over reacted in anger. So he stupidly thought he'd get even with his dad - maybe he'll give me sympathy if I take my own life. I thought I didn't want to experience pain, so he snuck out of the garage door, went to the car.

He was evidently gonna do the car in the garage thing. He took a razor blade and carved a tiny bit into his wrist - he became numb cause it was too light. So finally he cut it enough that blood came out and it began to hurt. It was 3:00/3:30 - he was tired, and he fell asleep.

He woke up and saw the blood in his bed. "Oh no! What will I do now?" He was embarrassed and ashamed. Took dog to vet with friend. Friend told him to get his wrist stitched up. He went and made up a stupid story at the hospital "A rake fell off the roof and hit my wrist". They didn't believe him and called his parents. Small scar - shows everyone.

So no unconscious, boy in a bloody bathtub? No.

Finished high school got a degree in college. After Julie died he bought Julie's car. Had license plate that said "my3ds".

Any history of psychiatric illness in your family? No.
Any depression in your family? No.
Are you depressed? No.
Are brothers depressed? No

Your mother is an alcoholic? Yes. Found out after Julie's wedding.

Looking back he can now see how his mother was an alcoholic while he was growing up. He knew something "was up" with his mom. She was "kinda crabby" sometimes. He knew when she was crabby he kinda stayed away, but when she wasn't it was ok.

Julie is 9 years older than him. She was like a second mother to him. A lot of trips Julie would be holding his hand in the car. Nice to him. He loved hanging around with her.

Saw her in July, after the 4th, of 98. She was taking care of her kids. The day they spent at her house the kids were swimming in the pool. Doesn’t think Mark was there that day. At one time they were planning a barbeque. Next day Mark was there.

She was her usual self. Wasn't jumping for joy but was loving her kids and they were talking about family events. Kinda typical.

No further from Jambois. Albee up.

Julie was 9 years older than you? So she was 26 when you cut your wrists? You'll have to do the math.

Did you talk to Julie about that? No.
Was it well known in the family what happened? I believe so.

When you showed us on the screen your scar - it's cut from one side to the other. Required how many stitches? Looks like 6. He's going by the scar.

Was that portrayed in your family as an attempt at suicide? We didn't talk about it at the dinner table.

Did you talk about it with anyone in your family? Yes - mom and dad and brother Mike.

I assume you're embarrassed about it? Yes. And for quite some time? Yes.
Still today? Yes.

With respect to your mother, you didn't know there was a problem until Julie's wedding? I knew there was a problem, but I didn't know the nature of it until then.

She was crabby? Yes. Moody? Yes Sometimes up mood, sometimes down mood? Yes, but not to great extent. You attribute that to alcohol? Yes Do you know that now - that it was because of alcohol? I know she suffered from alcoholism but I don't attend ALAnon so I don't know the ins and outs of it.

The reason you understood your mom had an alcohol problem was Julie's wedding? No after that.

From the rehearsal dinner? Yes - but I wasn't there. She had a seizure? That's what I’ve been told.

Discussed in your family? It came up, yes.

Mother was hospitalized and missed wedding? Yes Were you at the wedding? Yes

Did you visit your mother in the hospital? Can't recall. How old were you? I'd have to look at calendar, don't recall. Don't remember being at the wedding specifically.

You would have been about 17 at Julie's wedding? yes You have no recollection at all of being there? I confuse all my siblings' weddings. I remember the band playing in it, in a basement ballroom.

Don't remember anything about visiting your mom? No.

Until that time your mother's alcoholism wasn't revealed to you? I didn't know it as alcoholism.

Was it also concealed from your other sibs? Not sure - with Paul being 5 years older than me, they talked about a lot of things I wasn't privy to.

Now Albee wants Pat to speculate that his mom was self-medicating due to depression! Objection is sustained.

He was out of the house afterwards so he wasn't aware that his mother kept up her alcoholism. Mother passed away in 1991. He was in - can't remember where he lived then. He still lived in Boston. He was 25.

About older brother Richie who died - he understood that he had some kind of stomach injury and that's it. That's all he knew growing up. Some story about other kids piling on him. That was floated around the Griffin family? Yes.

Did anybody ever speculate as to any other possibilities? Objection - sustained.

Was the possibility bandied around that your mother had a role in......Objection. Sustained. Albee - 908.03....

Judge: It's actually 18, but you're not there.

I am very angry! Albee has some NERVE! Trying to ask a person who wasn't born to relate GOSSIP! This is about as SMARMY as you can get! Now, it's out there! NASTY!

Distinction between reputation or common gossip.

Jambois gets pissed! "Why not ask the question! Why not just ask 'was it the story in your family that your mother murdered your brother!"

Woo! Objection still sustained.

Was it a common belief in your household that your mother caused the death of your brother? No.

Was it thought of in your family? No.

Reputation in your family was that he died because of kids piling on him? Yes.

Were you aware your sister had ever been treated for depression? No.

Your sister had characterized to Mr. DeFazio that there was a suicide attempt in your family - do you think that was about you? Yes.

Was your actions motivated from revenge against your father? Yes.

You had telephone conversation with Julie in November? Yes. She didn't ask for help from you? No. She talked to you about selling you her car? No. No such conversation.

How often did you talk to your sister? Once every two/three months.

You didn't have as much insight on how she was getting by on a day-to-day basis? No. So if she had asked you for help you would have helped? Yes.

You characterized that in July she was not jumping for joy? She seemed normal.

No further questions - witness is excused. No more witnesses today.

Judge wishes everyone a great Valentines night!

After show party - Jambois intends to call:

Paul Griffin
License plate of Julie Griffin
Dr Mary Mainland
A few friends/contemporaries of Adult Griffins (Julie's parents)

Jambois said he should be finished with rebuttal by tomorrow morning.

Albee has comments! Who else woulda thunk it!!!

I have not asked for instructions in this trial about things being offered not for truth of the matter asserted RE; statements of Laura Koster in the area of delusions. I object to that instruction to identify Laura Koster's statement.

Judge says the problem is that this has more of what you would complain about as prejudicial impact, because this does not prove the guilt.....

Judge says based on what the attorneys have said, we should be able to finish tomorrow. That would indicate closings on Monday, but this is the Jensen trail!

Have a great evening, readers!
donchais


Mark Jensen Murder Trial: Jensen will not take the stand

Mark Jensen has just acknowledged to Judge Schroeder that he will not take the stand in his own defense. Probably the smartest move he has made to date.

Bobby Cutts Murder Trial: Jury reaches a verdict on one count!


Updated4
According to Ohio.com:

Jurors late tonight asked a series of questions and in one they indicated they had reached a verdict on the first count of aggravated murder relating to the death of Jessie Marie Davis. The jury also asked if there was a lesser offense to consider on a charge of aggravated burglary.

Judge Charles E. Brown Jr. referred them to their instructions. They also asked about a list of contents of Davis' purse and to listen to a tape statement from a witness.

This is the only news source that I could find that is reporting this evening the jury asked questions and reached a verdict on one count. All other sources I've checked are reporting no verdicts were reached. I do hope it's true and this means the jury is moving forward.

Update: 10:07 pm
I just don't know what to believe anymore. I can't find any source that is verifying this latest development. According to the WKYC.com blog, nothing happened today, and Patty Davis may not come back to court tomorrow to wait.

Update: February 14th, 6:40 am
The Ohio.com has changed their story last night to read:

Jurors in the Bobby Cutts Jr. trial indicated in a question Wednesday night to the judge that they might have reached a verdict on an aggravated murder charge.

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Jurors late Wednesday asked a series of questions, and in one they insinuated they had reached a verdict on the first count of aggravated murder relating to the death of Jessie Marie Davis.

Update: February 14th, 7:40 am
Newsnet5.com is reporting:

Jurors also asked Judge Brown if they had a verdict on Count 1 (Aggravated Murder of Jessie Davis), and then a juror had to be excused tomorrow, would they have to start deliberations again. The Judge told them that no juror may be replaced during deliberations.

This is so confusing. What do you have alternates for? Donchais and I are totally puzzled over this latest development. Donchais was wondering, could it be that one of the jurors has come up with a ridiculous reason to be removed from serving verses a legitimate one? Or, could it be that a juror has had a change of heart on whether or not they can reach a verdict that could result in Cutts receiving the death penalty? Regardless, with the information we are getting, we don't have a clue as to what the Ohio guidelines are for when a juror can or cannot be dismissed during deliberations, or what Judge Brown meant by his answer.

From the trials that we've covered we can easily see how jurors get confused. We would be. Jury instructions are written by lawyers with all the legal speak they commonly use. Even Alan Jackson in his closing argument in the Spector trial, talked about how confusing jury instructions can be. In 2007, the entire California CALCRIM was rewritten to try to make them more understandable by the lay public. I don't know if they were that successful or not. However, where I think the Spector trial got stuck were the "additional" instructions that the defense requested, which I believe was a tactical move on their part. It's hard to ignore the fact that Riordan was one of the attorneys involved in rewriting CALCRIM.

Where donchais and I are currently in the dark is because we could not hear the majority of the jury instructions that were read in this trial. Apparently, the volume was turned down quite low on the sound system. Perhaps Judge Brown throwing that kitchen sink into the instructions is what has the jury confused.

Update: February 14th, 8:00 am
For a complete list of the jury questions submitted to the Judge, check the AHN.com.

We just realized one of the things we don't know is, what type of time frame all parties were given to get to court once all the verdicts have been reached. Is that something we just missed? Does anyone know?

CNN.Crime

In Session Beth Karas report. Beth also noticed like we did, the unusual configuration of the courtroom and where the jury box is situated. Beth has been in quite a few courtrooms over the years and she said she's never seen a courtroom like this before.



Wednesday, February 13, 2008

Mark Jensen Murder Trial

Day 26 – 2/13/08

Dr. Rumack is not here today. His lawyer sent a letter. Lawyer is Mr. Jeff Springer. Jambois wants to talk to co-counsel about having him here in court. Albee claims Rumack was "forgetful."

Albee whines to the judge. Judge says it's up to the jury that he "forgot" $10,000; it's their decision

Jambois acknowledges he received more money but that the letter is self-serving. He is a reasonable person, but he wants to hear from the lawyer.

Rumack would prefer not to testify at all, even by telephone. Jambois wants to call Springer right now in court!

Wow! Fireworks very, very, early today.

Judge willing to consider options. Dr. Rumack should have been questioned on re-direct.

Judge: people deal with this all the time! People come in here saying the most bizarre things and lying about the amount of money they receive... clear BIAS.

Albee points out he couldn't do it on re-direct because he didn't know how much he had been paid since 2002 and 2003!

The judge repeats that Albee should have been ready for this question. Mentions that he made a face during his testimony because Rumack was deliberately being EVASIVE.

Albee whines about evasiveness of prosecution witnesses...

Why do I get the feeling that the judge wasn't just referring to Dr. Rumack. I think he's still ticked off about Dr. Spiro, big time.

Mark one up for me! The judge just mentioned Dr. Spiro's evasiveness! OK ritanita, got it marked!

And Albee is trying to say Rumack wasn't evasive.

Jambois admits that the judge did "slap down" Dr. Long about being evasive.

Jambois indicates that Dr. Rumack came across and having been "bought and paid for."

Speaker Phone: Shade of Phil Spector!

Phone call to Mr. Springer

Judge begins and says they are in open court with both attorneys.

Albee indicated that the Court wanted Dr. Rumack to come back. Is this for additional testimony? Yes.

He wants to have an understanding of the circumstances. Rumack already testified. Is there an issue about the money he received? No, about how he testified to the amount of money.

Albee called and found about 2 $5000 checks.

Springer: Not unusual someone wouldn't remember...

Judge: It's not unusual?

Springer: It was a couple of years ago, he forgot. When do you want him back?

Judge: Tomorrow.

Springer: Needs more time to arrange

Judge: Tomorrow

Springer: Scheduling not an easy task. Can he testify by phone?

Jambois: He's seriously considering phone testimony. Influencing factor is Dr.'s schedule for Thursday or Friday. He's retired. He doesn't have surgery...

Springer: Today would have been difficult...

Jambois: Points out Wisconsin law... he doesn't have transcript of client's testimony. Will have it tomorrow. Suggests Rumack was devious in his testimony. Inclination is to have him here in person, but if there is a problem....

Arrangements one way or another will be made today.

Albee brings up Rhonda Mitchell's perjury. The judge says she was produced.

Jambois doesn't believe the "perjury" info was major testimony.

Judge doesn't think the situations were parallel.

Jury comes in.

First witness: Daun Cooper, works for Stifel in St. Louis, lives in Illinois. Worked there 11 1/2 years previously, 1 1/2 years now. Sales assistant to a broker. She has a Series 7 license.

Worked at the company in 1998 (started 1988). She was in same position then and worked on the transition team.

In '98 she was in Appleton, to open a new office. Also in Oskosh.

Attended Blueprint Conference: Nov. '98

She knew Ed Klug when the office opened in Appleton. She'd met him there twice, before the Blueprint Conference.

She doesn't think she'd met Mark Jensen until the Blueprint Conference.

Dinner held for the brokers and some others. Several hundred people attend. That year it was a Friday night and she didn't attend. She thinks it was at the Marriott in St. Louis where the conference took place.

She went downstairs to the bar after the dinner. There were 200-300 (not sure) people in the bar. She was there, Ed Klug, Mark Jensen, Kelly LaBonte and her then, husband. She stayed unto 2 AM. There weren't many people left then. Maybe between 25-and 50? Mr. Jensen and Mr. Klug were still there.

They left the bar and went out to the seating area. Ron Wruck may have been with them. There may have been one other person.

They were concerned about her driving and had taken her keys and they talked until she sobered up enough to drive. Ron Wruck possible left earlier than the rest. Kelly had taken her keys earlier but by now she had left.

Best she can remember, it was the 3 of them left talking. They talked for at least an hour. They talked about business, the firm, personal things (her divorce - she was upset that evening). She doesn't recall anything else. They didn't talk specifically about Klug or Jensen's marriages. Mr. Klug left to talk to his wife at one point. He returned at some point. She drove home about 3 and 3:30 AM.

At no point did Mark Jensen say anything about harming his wife. Never mentioned using a computer to find ways to harm his wife. She would absolutely remember if she had.

She was good friends with Kelly and she would have been worried for her if Mark had talked about that because Mark and Kelly were "friends" at the time.

She didn't know they were having an affair. She knew they talked frequently. She had been friends with Kelly for "a while." Kelly hadn't been at the firm for that long... possibly since the summer.

She is certain about the fact Mark never mentioned harming his wife.

When she left, she felt safe to drive and Mark gave her the keys. Klug and Jensen went to the door with her. There was discussion about her driving. Mark offered to get her a room and she declined.

She and Kelly talked after Mark was arrested. She was in Rockford. Ed Klug called her with news; she hung up to talk to Kelly. Ed never mentioned the conversation he claimed to have with Mark.

She and Ed kept in touch by cell phone (fellow brokers) and Ed never mentioned any conversation with Mark after Mark was charged in 2002.

She was contacted in July 2007 about this case. (Probably July 27) A girl she worked with called and said someone called at the office trying to find her. She called the DA's office. Put on speakerphone with the lady who called office and the DA. They wanted to know what she knew about the conversation. She said she didn't.

She was told it was a murder investigation and was she sure she didn't remember. She said, "No, she didn't."

The last time she spoke with Kelly was when Mark Jensen was charged. They had dinner and talked. She talked and e-mailed her for a while. Later, she tried to send her an e-mail and it was sent back. Fall 2002 - early 2003 since she had contact with her.

Cross:

Could she have left before 3:00? Doesn't think so.

Jambois mentions she had been drinking. She says that Kelly took the keys between 12 and 1 AM. (She argued that she could drive), she had 1-2 more drinks after Kelly took the keys. She was emotional about the breakup of her marriage. She was venting to Mark, Kelly, couple of other people.

She doesn't remember what she said, but she can say what some of her complaints about ex-husband. He was stubborn, didn't want to talk. He liked to push her buttons. Some of the others were empathetic and made comments. "I don't want to do this, I don't know how to be single (after 10 years)." The others started talking about their spouses. Jambois: War stories about spouses? When she left, she left the seating area. She'd been drinking water, the bar was closed. She remembers leaving about an hour after the bar closed.

When she left, Ed and Mark were there and they walked her to the door. She doesn't know what happened after she left.

Kelly never told her about the affair with Mark until Jan. 1999, or some time after Julie's death. (Can't ask how she found out about the affair - hearsay).

Re-direct:

There was no conversation with Klug about affair with secretary, jealous wife. She remembers what she was talking about and they were airing general grievances about their wives? Yes.

She thinks she'd remember such a conversation even though she had a lot to drink. No blackouts! Absolutely would remember if Mark had talked about harming wife.

Re: Conversation with DA.
She wasn't told that there was a conversation that they were investigating.

The DA's office answered when she asked them to be more specific.

They wanted to know if she was present during the conversation.

Break:

The Judge says that in the Rhonda Mitchell testimony, Mr. Montgomery came on stand to testify to her lie on the stand. Dr. Rumack has to come back and testify himself. He's not saying he is dishonest, but he has to testify. He will be there tomorrow.

The prosecution will have a rebuttal case. If defense rests today, they could be finished with it tomorrow. They discuss closing arguments

Albee may want to call sur-rebuttal witness or two.

Jambois wants billing info on Dr. Spiro!

Monday, closing arguments, jury instructions. Strike jury members who won't deliberate. Judge feels bad about that; he never thought it would happen. He's very complimentary of the jury and their dedication.

OMG! It's almost over!

Couple of more defense witnesses to dump on Dillard. Short rebuttal and possibly short sur rebuttal. Closing arguments may be MONDAY!

Witness: Dr. John Scott Denton, physician as a coroner's forensic pathologist in central Illinois (Bloomington, Peoria). He gives his CV.

He gave a speech on Fentenol poisoning

Ethylene Glycol poisoning study for deaths in Cook County over 10 years. Pulled files from their database to determine what was common or uncommon. They determined category of deaths.

Suicide - majority of the 35
Homicide - none
Accidental - alcoholics used it as substitute
Undetermined - 1 or 2 due to conflicting information

Opiate - deaths due to heroin

Review of strangulation cases in Cook County

Other overdose-type reviews

Peer-review journal articles

He's testified 250-300 times, 99% prosecution.

He was asked to review documents from Julie's autopsy and doctor a police reports, transcript between Jensen and "Rosenberger" (sic), recent, new information, autopsy and scene of death photos.

Likes to take pictures of clothed body in body bag and undressed body, front and back. If anything suspicious, close up and distance photos.

Okay, he's here to say the pictures were amateur. Kenosha is no Cook County...

In Cook County: One picture for ID, anything else at coroner's discretion.

He reviewed Dr. Chambliss' report:

Photos taken by Sgt. Ratzburg - Cook County uses dedicated photographers, or autopsy assistant. They use dedicated photographers because taking autopsy pictures is very difficult. Even this doctor can't take pictures as good as they can.

External examination: found a few minor blunt trauma injuries, lists 4 external evidence of injuries. Injury - any injury, scrape, trauma to the body. Chambliss noticed 8x2 cm. bruise over right buttock with small abrasion. There is no photo from the scene of this bruise. He thinks it has nothing to do with cause of death. Looks like she hit a table or something.

4x2 cm. bruise up near hip region of buttock - similar to first bruise

Superficial bruise on right shin, over knee - common bump injury

Superficial curved abrasion over thyroid cartilage - yellow brown appearance. No picture of it in autopsy photos.

No autopsy photos prior to incision - these should have been done if they suspected strangulation.

Significance of this abrasion - looks like an impression mark, small, linear, no bruising underneath

Obvious concern if it is a fingernail mark, especially if bruising or bleeding underneath, which there wasn't.

Timing of this abrasion - only clue is yellow-brown color, older, but not how old. Could have occurred after death, as in the moving of the body.

Internal evidence of injury: Chambliss says "none" You list evidence.
(Chambliss also trained in Cook).

Evidence of medical attention: EKG monitor pads. One photograph showed one pad on right chest wall. Did not see other two on chest.

Position of body in bed: She was lying on bed face down with arm under the body on her left side.

Given the position of the body, she would have had to been moved to place pads on body.

Internal Examination: Observations of significance? Yes, underlying soft tissue hemorrhage (area under ribs).

Would that small amount of hemorrhage have a pattern? Looked like rectangular areas of congestion and soft tissue bleeding. Could be caused by livermortis after death when a person is laying face down. (Blood pooling after death) He says it doesn't look like an injury.

He indicated that if you are dying from EG poisoning, this could happen just by the person lying there. This is to a reasonable level of medical certainty!

This is contrary to prior testimony that the damage came from pressure on her arm.

He doesn’t think the arm caused the hemorrhage.

Dr. Denton shown autopsy photo of rib hemorrhages.

The picture is straight down, best position for taking the picture. He describes them all. He says that the arm does not come into play because he can't place her arm along them all.

This witness is quite good. He's sounding logical and professional. The test will come on cross, as it did with Dr. Rumack, who also came across as scholarly, logical, and professional on direct examination.

Denton points out other hemorrhages that are not noted in the autopsy notes.

He says that this is also due to pooling of the blood, especially someone who is poisoned.

Neck Organs: In strangulation, they tend to look for damage to the strap muscles. Chambliss did not notice any. Cartilage and hyoid bone not damaged. No bite marks to tongue, which is common in strangulation. Suffocation is different. Will usually not see bite marks.

Respiratory System: Normal, healthy lungs of a non-smoking person. No aspirated food material. She didn't vomit nor did someone try to force her to take something.

Cardio-vascular System: Multiple petechias.

Spleen and lymph nodes normal.

Gastro-intestinal System: Congestion or hemorrhage in back not necessarily due to trauma.

Dr. Denton tends to think all physical bruises and internal "damage" is NOT due to strangulation, suffocation.

Post-Mortem Artifacts: Eyes can be congested with blood from being face down. Bodies are turned face-up in morgue to prevent this.

Most of what they have been discussion can be due to post-mortem artifacts occurring after her death from EG poisoning, due to be laying face down after death.

Chambliss notes that the stomach is markedly distended (reads contents). Denton says the stomach is actually extending into the pelvis. This is very unusual. Her stomach isn't emptying, it's holding on to it and is extending and stretching.

Genito-Urinary System:

Kidneys are very congested. General part of the dying process. Kidneys: congestion noted externally and internally.

Musculoskeletal system: Mentions rib damage. They are not fractured. Buttock bruises, right shin.

Albee questioning Denton.

Prominent congestion over the tops of the 2 hemispheres in Chamblss' report.

Fatty liver noted? Yes. Alcohol could cause that.
Would it slow down metabolism? It would have to be severe fatty liver.

Do any of these findings suggest a suffocation death? No. Suffocation will cause swelling of the brain.

Observation of the face in the report no hemorrhage of the eyes. The nose appears normal and midline.

Albee shows the photos of Julie with her nose in the pillow. Julie's nose at the scene shows Julie's appears bent. Denton says it's from the weight of the pillow.

You can push your nose with your finger? Yes, quite easy.

The weight of Julie's neck and head in that position would push her nose aside.

Denton doesn't see anything suggesting stronger force in the pictures to cause damage.

Did you read Aaron Dillard's report? Yes.
The claim that Mark sat on Julie's back and pushed her head into the pillow, if it was done forcefully, I wouldn't expected to see damage.

If the person was fighting back, I would expect to see some damage.

If Mark sat on her back, Denton would expect to see purge fluid on the pillow.

No reports mention fluid on the bed or Julie's clothing? No.

Did you review Dr. Long's report? Yes.
The report stated there was a large amount of ethylene glycol in the stomach? Yes I read that and that what I was specifically looking at. Denton says he disagrees with Long's statement.

Julie's cause of death would be from ethylene glycol according to Denton.

Dr. Long concluded Julie died shortly after the administration of the ethylene glycol.

Denton says 1/2 teaspoon would not cause the death that quickly.

Dr. Long said Julie would have been too weak to ingest that amount of ethylene glycol without assistance.

Denton couldn't say what Dr. Long was saying, but he doesn't agree with it.

Basically Albee is walking Denton through Dr. Long's report and having Denton testify that he is not in agreement with anything in the report.

Denton prepared a report in this case in 2004. His opinion is that Julie died from ethylene glycol poisoning.

December 1-2 Julie was acting intoxicated as he read in reports.

No evidence of single dose killing her. Family said she was drinking water and there could have been residual EG in the glass.

24-48 hours prior to her death was the initial ingestion. He said there wasn't EG in the brain and blood stream.

Gastric contents green color comes from possibly from bile.

The value of EG in her blood and stomach are small and not consistent to a second large dose as stated.

Stomach emptying slows considerably in poisoning.

Can someone be forced to drink EG and not spill it on the clothing and bedding? There was no spilling on the bedding and no aspiration according to the autopsy.

Could Julie have used the computer on December 2-3? Nothing to say for sure that she can’t based on the level of EG.

Denton sees no urine staining on the bad so Denton believes she could have gotten up to go to the bathroom.

The bruising on Julie's body looks like normal bruising from falling down rather than being struck.

Denton has to do several autopsies tomorrow and Jambois may not be done with him. Schroeder says he has to deal with the matters at hand. He tells Denton, "Well, they're not going anywhere!" Cute!

Denton says he found Julie's letter contrived and self-serving. He said he didn't think the letter was true, looking at it as a devils advocate.

Dr. Borman was the family doctor and wrote to police asking why he wasn't notified of Julie's death and manner of death.

Denton thinks the call to Margaret Wojt saying don't worry if you don't see me outside today was odd.

Denton testifying about what Julie said to different people. He says her statements are inconsistent.

Julie had conversations with police officer and stated she thought her husband was trying to kill her. The police never investigated. Denton says this course is odd. This behavior and Julie knowing about Mark's affair she could have been setting up Mark if she planned to commit suicide.

Denton thinks the manner of death should have been left open. He leans more to suicide as cause of death.

Move along Mr. Albee...he's rehashing the stuff we just covered 45 minutes ago!

Jambois~

So did you read Klug's testimony from 2007? Yes.
Klug's sworn testimony is Mark Jensen told him he found ways to kill his wife on the internet, with a drug that is not normally looked for in autopsy and crystallizes the body from inside out? Yes.

And the drug you are talking about if used that's exactly what would happen? Yes, that is true.

Denton is saying he is aware of Klug's wife testimony? Yes.
Denton is aware of communication between Mark and Kelly LaBonte where Kelly gave Mark a deadline.

Denton wrote the report in 2004 and now he has reconsidered because there were 2 additional witnesses in the 2007 hearing.

Denton is now being forced to admit that the defense did not give him a lot of the information that has come into testimony.

Denton says he would expect he would have been complete information.

If all that is true, yes, I would lean toward homicide, Denton says.

Were you told that the police suspected that Mark was torturing his wife psychologically for years because of a brief affair she had.

What I have just told you is certainly a motive for Mark Jensen to kill his wife. If what you have said id true, yes.

As for timing, everyone in Mark's office says he didn't come in to work on Dec. 3rd, wouldn't that give him time to do all the things? Yes, it could.

Would you agree that your assessment of Julie's letter is unfair? Yes.

You have an ethical obligation to testify truthfully? Yes.
You have an ethical obligation to the decedent? Yes.

Dr. Chambliss saw the photos of Julie for the first time here during his testimony? No.

You read Dillard's letter? Yes.
You are aware that Mark told him he rolled Julie on to her side and shoved her face and neck into the pillow and sitting on her back? Yes.

The photo is consistent with that, isn't it? It could be. What Aaron Dillard wrote is his letter is consistent with the photo.

Hemorrhaging in the chest photo shown. Jambois points out that it is on an angle. Denton says that’s because of the angle of the picture. He's not going from the arm under her body thing.

Mr. Jambois says, "Would that jump out to you as a murder plot?"

"Yes, if I saw that list, I'd be very concerned about my safety."

Quote of the day: Dr. Denton upon viewing Julie's photograph of Mark's list.

Jambois is going over Julie's letter again. He shows Denton the list with syringe, razor, etc.

Would that scream murder at you? Yes, it could. The part where Julie says she doesn't know what it means is what is unbelievable to me.

Jambois is going through each item and says on their own, they are not unusual.

Now, syringe is very different. Yes, that would concern me. Bag hangs would also be bothersome.

Denton is now basically agreeing with Jambois.
Denton appears to be getting pretty disturbed that he's been used by the defense and being made to look foolish.

I believe that he is very ethical and this must be embarrassing.

Looking over the past few days, Jambois has pretty much sunk each of the defense experts.

The liver in this case doesn't show Julie had a slowed metabolism? No.

When Julie died there was 55 micrograms/ml of EG in her blood. You know she was alive the morning of her death. She died sometime between noon and 4pm, correct? Yes.

Intoxication symptoms started at 2am the night before, correct? Yes.

So she ingested EG the latest at 1pm? Yes that's correct.

Then on December 3rd at 2am the EG should be all gone, right? That follows the textbooks, yes.

The outer edge that EG stays in the blood stream 25 hours and the inner edge is 15 hours? Yes.

There is no indication that Julie didn't have a normal metabolic system. No.

So, the initial dose of EG had to have been before 12/2.

You wrote a report in 2004. In report you said Julie died from a dose of EG between 24 and 48 hours before her death? Yes.

So you would look at the amount of EG in the blood? Yes.

So you should be able to backtrack to the time of the ingestion? Yes.

The half-life of EG in the blood would be a better indicator than the stomach contents? Yes.

As you are sitting here, you wrote the report without looking at that? I relied on several items, the crystals and the distended stomach were more important to me.

One would assume 15-25 hours the EG would be gone from her bloodstream? Yes.

That would make the time frame about 1am on the 2nd and 2am on 12/3? Yes.

Then if the ingestion was 1am on the 2nd then you wouldn't expect it to show in her blood when she died. Yes.

Denton doesn't remember using the half-life in his opinion.

When would crystal begin to show in the body? 24 hours.

The larger the dose the faster the poisoning? Yes.
The smaller dose, the person may not even reach stage 3? Yes.

Why would a low dose be more indicative of a homicide? So the person wouldn't be aware they were being poisoning.

If a killer didn't want to be detected giving the poisoning then, yes it makes sense to give a lower dose.

Mark said Julie was sound asleep on the 3rd? Yes.
She was on her back according to Dillard's letter? Yes.

In fact her breathing was improved, correct? Yes.

Let's assume Mark gave her a low dose of EG the night of 12/1, another 2 on the 2nd in the morning and evening, and she was improving that Mark panicked and suffocated her. There is nothing inconsistent with that scenario in the autopsy report.

Trial Moment of the Day

Jambois is laying out the prosecution scenario of Julie's death. Here, he has to call his case "hypothetical." As he goes along, Dr. Denton has been agreeing. Mark Jensen give a questioning look at his lawyer, and the doctor gives a nice smile as he finishes.

Albee~

Your testimony is that the hemorrhaging couldn't happen in the way Dillard described? That's correct it’s post mortem from lying down and dying for EG poisoning.

You also testified that the arm position could not have caused the injury? Correct.

Mark described Julie as being awake on the 3rd before the kids went to school? Yes.

It was later in the morning that she was sleeping? Yes.

There is some suggestion you didn't have some information available to you? You have the criminal complaint don't you? Yes.

Albee is asking if he considered the affair in this case? Yes, part of being in a suicidal state is being in a helpless state, with losing custody, etc.

How many suicides do you see? One a week for past 11 years.
Are marital problems a common reason? Yes
Do you get police reports? Yes

Discussion of harassment in police report. He remembers photos, not phone calls.

Dr. Denton read hundreds and hundreds of pages when he wrote his report? Yes

Was your memory fresher then? Yes

Would Aaron Dillard's character something you would use to assess the witness' credibility? Yes

Would the person being released from jail for testimony a consideration? Yes

Is Denton aware of Dr. Lavin's testimony? Did she share Dr. Long's opinion that it was suicide based on the large amount of ethylene glycol in her stomach? It became moot.

Is there a risk in jumping to conclusions? Objection

Do you think you should go into a case with an open mind? Yes

Albee asks about liquid Benadryl.

Mercury fulminate... he asks... objection...

Judge says it's argumentative.

Albee done!

Jambois~

Did you receive Dr. Borman's medical records on Mark Jensen? No I did not.

Objection! Mr. Albee is into his whine and cheese phase!

Jambois again gets Denton to agree that Julie probably had multiple doses of EG.

Albee~

Albee is pounding the residual EG in a glass could account for what would appear as multiple doses.

Judge tells jury they may get the case on Monday, but no promises!

I'm betting Wednesday!

Also always, many thanks to ritanita for coming to the rescue while I was experiencing system problems!

Mark Jensen Murder Trial: Commentary

You just can't make this shit up. I agree with donchais. It's official now, the Jenen trial is a certified three ring circus. How in the world ritanita and Intrepid covered the proceedings yesterday I'll never know. From what I'm hearing it was like either watching a wrestling match or a train wreck. Even ritanita commented this morning that the blog coverage, "really captured the spirit and facts of the circus that took place yesterday." And the spectacle continues.

Dr. Rumack a defense witness on the stand two days ago, apparently lied as to how much he was paid for his testimony. We even had a repeat of sorts of the Spector trial. In arguments outside the presence of the jury, Dr. Rumack's attorney, Jeff Springer, was addressing the court via speaker phone. (Any of you remember the CTV images of the Nortel phone when defense attorney Riordan was addressing the court?) Judge Schroeder is so angry that Rumack lied on the witness stand that while speaking with Rumack's attorney, he looked like he was going to jump through the speaker phone and grab him by the throat. He's not happy.

Watch the trial online at CNN.Crime.

Bobby Cutts Murder Trial: Deliberations

After an excruciatingly long set of jury instructions, the jury was given the case yesterday at approximately 3 pm. Regarding the instructions, Judge Brown commented the day before that they threw everything in there including the kitchen sink. It took three hours for the instructions to be read into the record and Brown had to give the entire courtroom a break to stand and stretch their legs half way through the reading. The jury deliberated until 6 pm, which they will do each day until a verdict is reached. We are hoping they will reach one today.

Very little information has been released about the individual jurors. However, the Canton Repository has a synopsis of all the players in the case. From the Repository, donchais and I found this bit of information very interesting about Judge Brown:

Charles E. Brown Jr. has been a Stark County Common Pleas judge for seven years, gaining a reputation for his methodical approach to cases and formal courtroom demeanor.

Brown was a military prosecutor while in the U.S. Marine Corps. He also was the longtime chief of the Stark County Republican Party and ran a successful civil practice before being appointed a judge in 2001.


In retrospect, Brown does have a military demeanor about him and he ran his courtroom like a very tight ship. I personally can't get over the fact that the closing arguments were only one hour each. donchais has been searching all over the net and hasn't been able to find anything in the media that explains this. All we can come up with is our own speculation that Brown reviewed the case and felt it was so "cut" and dried that he could impose the one hour limit. Are there any Ohio attorneys out there who have been before Judge Brown and can tell us if this is how he consistently runs his courtroom? I know donchais was quite impressed with how efficiently this trial was run.

So what did you think of Bobby Cutts's testimony? Was he truthful on the stand? Do you think that was an accurate description of the events that unfolded on the morning of June 14th? WKYC had a body language expert review Cutts's testimony and give their opinion on whether Cutts was truthful or not.

One of our readers from Decatur, Georgia, was wondering about three murder charges when there were only two victims. Cutts was charged with three counts of aggravated murder because of the allegation that he killed two people during a burglary and because one of them was under thirteen - his unborn daughter. That's a kind of quirky law they have in Ohio.

Anyone have any guesses as to how long this jury will be out?

CNN.Crime

Mark Jensen Murder Trial

Day 25 – 2/12/08

Guest entry by Trep and Nita.

Albee on direct.

This is Dr. Spiro, a psychiatric expert. I'll just call him Dr. Gloom and Doom, since he finds nothing but bad news for Julie every step of the way.

He says that Julie was suffering from a severe psychiatric mood disorder just two days before her death. She made unusual preparations prior to her death when she told her sister-in-law, Laura, that she would be too ill to take her son to karate the next time. Remember, this is the very conversation that Laura "omitted" in her testimony last summer at the forfeiture hearing and led to fireworks yesterday!

Dr says she had a deep fear of being like her mother. She feared that terrible things would happen to her. And that she feared things going wrong in her marriage. Thadeus Wojt found her crying on her front porch.

Psychiatrist says Julie had a "mood disorder". She had had prior episodes, so much that she had been put on Prozac.

She was "enormously depressed" before her death, says psychiatrist. He relied on the family physician for this diagnosis. Praises the family physician for his candor.

Was he aware that from the notes of Mr. DeFazio that Julie had counseling sessions in college? Yes, and she dropped out of nursing studies. But don't know what criteria they used to diagnose her depression.

What else did you notice, Dr Spiro? Decrease in libido. And in the 1990 episode she lost interest in cooking. Lost interest in friends' baby. Usually at thanksgiving she would prepare a cornucopia, and go all out, but that year she only bought rolls.

This all shows that she was deeply depressed in her life.

Back to the mood disorder - this is strong evidence of that.

Criterion whether it was major depressive disorder - strong appetite changes. Failure to eat noticed by her family. Weight loss.

Fear of being poisoned is common in psychotic depression! Then they won't eat, for fear of poisoning.

Usually in people who are paranoid about being poisoned, they will go and get fast food or go down to the brother's house four blocks down the street. Usually not a lot of weight loss.

Evidence of sleeplessness? Yes.

Husband went to Dr and told him this. The other confirmation came from other interviews. Sleep disorder and taking Ambien was part of the picture.

As part of your evaluation you reviewed statements of the Wojts? Yes.

Do you recall a document - statement of Mr. Wojt - have you seen it before? Yes.

Julie reported to Thad Wojt she had nights she could not sleep? Yes. She told him she had a fear of falling asleep because Mark would inject her with something when she was asleep.

Next criterion for Major Depressive disorder - psychomotor change. Freezing. Agitation in that age group, decreased activity. Muscles constant moving.

Description of Dr Borman of her being frantic - does this fit? Yes.

Can a person do both - frantic, agitated and closed off? Most time you see both.

Oh for God's sake! He calls Julie "The poor woman"! She was troubled about her mother and how her mother's life was, she was sad about her children and sending her son to day school.

"She had lousy self-esteem and the poor soul was suffering"

Last criterion - recurrent thoughts of death or suicide and thoughts. Oh she kept a copy of Psalm 23 "though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil".

And he relies on Mark's statements of Julie keeping a bottle of Tylenol and threatening to take it all when they fought.

Depressed patients can carry out a complex plan for suicide and homicide.

Wonder if Mark was depressed? He sure carried out a complex homicidal plan.

He said he would not expect a note in this case if she was going to commit suicide and try to frame her husband. No note is essential in this plan.

He's now discussing Ethylene Glycol poisoning, that the person has the ability to breathe, and there was a phone beside her bed. Why wouldn't she call and tell someone? If her state of mind is that someone is trying to kill her, why wouldn't she tell her neighbor? Why wouldn't she call 911? She had to be deeply suspicious of drinking anything anyone handed her.....

The person was clear and obviously making phone calls (he's talking about on the 1st of December! She went to the damned doctor on that day! She was relatively fine then! He isn't at all talking about what was going on the 2nd!)

Now he's calling her "paranoid".

Albee asks him about discussion with Laura......his answer starts with "people who are making plans for suicide"......His beginning premise when he took this case obviously was that Julie committed suicide. He had to make everything fit within suicide, so he's doing it. No matter what other evidence has been presented in this case.

Now Albee is asking him questions using things that weren't even said by Julie!

She told Laura on Monday she would not pick up David at Karate. She had a Dr's appointment the next day, and she knew the doctor would give her an antidepressant that would make her sick. This to him shows intent, and she was telling Laura this to keep her from intervening!

And Mark intervenes by going to the doctor to get help for Julie!!!! Going to a doctor to get help for a patient - risking intervention - when you're in the process of a homicide is inconsistent behavior!

Did you reach any conclusion about whether or not Julie was suffering from a major depressive disorder? Yes, she meets 5 criteria, and comes close on the others. To a reasonable degree of medical certainty, she had a major depressive disorder in the period just before her death.

Is there a correlation in having a major depressive disorder and suicide? Yes, there is a correlation in all depressive disorders and suicide.

He says that it depends on the information you get - you can't rely on information from people who "have an ax to grind" in this case. Like a neighbor who has no ax to grind, a doctor who has no ax to grind.

He is really stepping out of his bounds of actual evidence and making judgments about Julie's motivations. And he said himself - he only relied on Mark for names of others he could talk to. I'm hoping the prosecution has a rebuttal witness for this hack.

Other factors involved with suicide risk are:

Psychosocial stresses - Julie's were extreme
Marriage breaking up
"Losing" her children as they grow up and go to school, pre-school
Employment/unemployment issues
Poor relationship with family (in-laws, cut herself off from sources of social support. She was cut-off from her brothers.)

Exhibit 304 - Statement from wife of Paul Griffin (Jill), Julie's sister in law.

She indicated that Julie had reported to her 5-7 days before her death that Mark was having an affair and she was angry with him.

And David developed a Tic - which went away after her death, David told him. There had been some tension between him and his mother before her death, and the tic went away after her death.

Ok, we're back and discussing Julie's childhood abuse issues and how they relate to suicide.

Also, suicide attempts within the family make a sharp impression. Her brother was found unconscious after attempting suicide. Mother was found face down in a swimming pool and died 3 days later, but that was treated as an accident.

Albee hits on her mother and her illness - Alcoholism in a family member increases suicide risk.

Are there statistics you rely on that identify types of people who commit suicide? You can't rely on statistics, but evidence about the patient in question.

If you were treating a living patient in assessing suicide risk?
He said he would rely on what the patient said, not what research and studies say.

Julie was close to her children, is that a relevant factor? No, unfortunately I've treated several children of women who committed suicide.

"A woman who is going to go down a path that will, in essence embarrass their children will often go down a path of suicide in an act of ALTRUISM".

In suicide, there are acts of ambivalence and of hopelessness. At one point the hopelessness takes over and a person attempts suicide. They may call 911 immediately afterwards, and that shows the ambivalence. They often seek a family doctor just before committing suicide"

Jambois up on cross.

You did what was akin to a psychological autopsy, correct? Depends on who's doing this.

Well it was your term, doctor?

He spent 14 hours with Mark, 1 1/4 hours with Dr Borman, 1 1/2 hours with the pastor, 1.5 hours with Dan and Florence Jensen, 3 3/4 hours with Laura Koster, .75 with Dave and Judy Schmidt (friend of Mark), hours with Doug Brandt (friend of Mark) - anyone else that you interview not listed?

Excluding discussion with attorneys. 26 hours of interviews with these people.

Jambois added it up to 24, not 26.

Are accused murderers and their families the most reliable in interviews? Or might they have a motive to lie? Yes, but we spoke with the prosecution.

WOO - he accuses Jambois of lying and ignoring his efforts! He's scolding Jambois. Hah! His pomposity is going to be his downfall!

Now the judge is jumping on the Dr., because Dr doesn't answer the question without squirming or scolding Jambois!

Now the judge is really getting hot! He's sticking Dr’s feet to the fire and wanting him to answer the question on whether or not Dr Borman was better able to assess whether or not Julie was depressed!

Dr won't answer the questions!

Court is back in session and Mr. Jambois has had a chance to read the doctor's notes. I hope he had some luck, since the doctor said he had trouble reading them himself!

Jambois is trying to get in a statement that Laura had told Julie "you don't know what Mark is capable of." This statement came in through Therese DiFazio and Ted Wojt at the forfeiture hearing, but Laura denied saying it when on the stand.

Albee reiterates that it is hearsay.

Therese DiFazio said in an interview that Julie had told her that she had talked to Laura and Laura had said "you don't know what he's capable of." Wojt also said something similar.

Judge: now that he says she's delusional, it could come in.

Albee: Spiro could not reach the decision that she was delusional. She WAS suicidal!

Albee: Gives prejudice without probative value...

Judge: Is saying "no" for now.

Jambois: Reads from Spiro's report discussing that Julie shows delusional characteristics. He wants the jury to come to that conclusion; he can't to a medical certainty. Julie had good reason to be fearful of Mark. Day or two after Julie died someone describing herself at Laura Koster called Pleasant Prairie Police saying she thought Mark may have killed his wife.

Doctor did not consider this in his report.

Judge: We don't know if it was Laura Koster.

Jambois: Ratzburg reported that he called the Kosters back in response to Laura's call. Todd Koster said that they would call back and they never did. The judge asked Jambois to directly ask Ratzburg, who is in the courtroom. Ratzburg talked directly to Laura just after Julie's death, she was crying, and he said Mark may have killed Julie.

Judge: Spiro is near the point of making a conclusion re: delusions. A fear that is reinforced by the sister of the accused would take away from the delusion concept.

Albee: This is for argument.

Judge: Not testimonial statement of hearsay to the level Albee makes it. Laura to Julie to Di Fazio....

Albee: Yelling at the judge!

Judge: Statement being examined as to it's use as to whether or not Julie was delusional. The reliability assessment only applies to what Julie believed.

Hearsay! HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!

In my own words, this all comes down to whether or not Julie thought that Laura told her that. We only know what Julie told others about what Laura told her.
Fact is, the psychiatrist won't say she was delusional because he want it to be that Julie was capable of coming up with a plot to blame Mark for her death. But, it would be better for the jury to think she is delusional so that it would add to the psychosis which caused Julie to commit suicide. Got it??

Judge: This evidence will come in!

Albee argues that the doctor did not have this information. The doctor should not be sandbagged. He should be able to talk to Laura first. This will create great prejudice against the sister, who says she didn't say it!

Judge: We have a Doctor on the stand who says this person stated the death was by suicide....

More back and forth on this... rather loud.

Laura Koster's credibility is going to take a good whack for the second time! The jury will remember the question Jambois asked yesterday...

You can bet that after Dr. Spiro finishes, Albee will again call for a mistrial!

Judge: "We have a trial to find the truth, not to have a scripted presentation...."

He will give a cautionary instruction.

Albee goes on about the fact that the prosecution didn't give the defense the information for 9 years.

The judge tells Albee he became aware 6 months ago at the hearing and Albee points out that it was inadmissible then.

Laura's 1990 alibi testimony from her father's trial will not be admitted.

The judge thinks it's fair game for the prosecution to ask the doctor about reliability of the people he interviewed. This is in special reference to Dan Jensen, Mark's father.

Judge: The fact that Dan Jensen was convicted of crimes... the expert can be questioned as to his reliablity.

More convoluted arguments between the judge and Mr. Albee. Mr. Jambois is being wise and keeping his mouth shut.

Oh my! There is a tape of Dan Jensen saying that Julie "said too much"! Judge will reserve judgment!

Witness called back on stand.

So far, Jambois has had to pull teeth to get this doctor to answer a question. The doctor is so prejudiced towards the defense that he's already lectured Mr. Jambois.

Jambois congratulates Dr. Spiro on his handwriting; it's better than Dr. Borman.

Referring to Mark and Kelly's affair... Spiro has notes how the affair started... that they were opening the office, had too much to drink, and went to dinner with the group... had relations.

Jambois tells the doctor about the fact that the "truth" of the affair "evolved', Mark lied to the police about the affair.

Jambois points out that Spiro had a copy of Ratzburg's notes... from April 1999. Did the fact that Mark lied; is it something of importance?

Doctor says he wasn't doing a psychohistory of Mark.

Spiro says he only knows what he read.

Jambois: "Now there is a 3rd version.....of the truth.... about the affair (remove 3rd due to objections)... Kelly said it started in Sept., not Oct. 1998.

Jambois: Spiro said Julie stopped going to book club, source?
Spiro: Can't find it.
Jambois: Julie hosted the Book Club in November? She attended in previous months?
Spiro: Doesn't find it of any interest in terms of his opinion.

Jambois: He has mistaken information?
Spiro: He won't concede it to Jambois who is not under oath; he'd have to review his sources!
Jambois: Find the source!
Spiro: Mrs. Wojt (Albee brings it up).

Jambois: Reads Mrs. Wojt's testimony... doesn't think it's the correct testimony that Mark would come home late and call her to come home and Julie would leave early.
Spiro: He has a memory of hearing it, but can't find it.

Jambois: You said earlier you didn't hear from the neighbors?
Spiro: He heard from other neighbors... but it STILL doesn't change his opinion.

Jambois: What if you found out everything Mark Jensen told you was a pack of lies?
Spiro: Is that a hypothetical? If it is not, then I know it is not true. What he does know is that there was sufficient evidence from doctors, minister to know she was depressed. He again avoids answering!

Jambois: What if what Julie said was true?
Spiro: Yes.
Jambois: She'd have reason to be suspicious of her husband?
Spiro: Yes.

Jambois brings up Laura's statement about Mark. What would he think if Laura told Julie that she didn't know what Mark was capable of?

The doctor now looks through his notes to find the esxact conversation so he doesn't slip on his words! He then says he can't use the notes because they aren't dated!

The doctor doesn't want to speculate about words in his notes such as, "didn't tell Laura about reports to the police..."

Laura testified that Julie had told Laura about the pictures...

Finally, the answer: NO, because Laura didn't tell me.

Jambois makes it a hypothetical again!
Answer: He turns it around to interpret that Laura told Julie, that "You don't know what Mark's capable of" means he was incapable!

Jury is sent out after being advised by the judge about this testimony...

Ohhhh..... Jambois says that THIS WITNESS OPENED THE DOOR!

Ratzburg's statement about Laura's call about her fears that Mark killed Julie was in the doctor’s possession!!!

FIREWORKS TIME! This is so good!

It ties together Laura's call, Ted Wojt's testimony, Terese DiFazio's testimony.

Jambois had stated at the beginning of the Defense Case he was going to get this in, one way or another.

I don't think that the judge will buy it. And, he didn't!

I can't stand the way he allows particularly Craig Albee to talk to him! He's a judge, FGS! Lawyers are supposed to not be allowed to yell at them the way Albee does! Cite him with contempt! He's not only being disrespectful to you, Bruce Schroeder, but to the bench itself!

Q: So if in fact that Julie went to Laura a week before she died, and if she showed her a picture of a page in Mark's day timer with a syringe on it, and told Laura she felt Mark was going to killer, and Laura said "you don't know what he's capable of" - wouldn't that sound ominous?
A:It does when you say it, but that’s not the way she said it!

HAH! Now he's backpedaling - he just said Laura said that! But now he's saying she didn't.

He's not even wanting to refer to his own notes! Even after Jambois told him where it was - page 17.

"Laura strikes me as being a very straightforward and candid woman. Laura says 'Had Julie come and shared her fears with me, I would have provided a safe haven'".

Now Jambois tells him that he had said Laura said Julie had told him that she thought Mark was trying to kill her, but now he's saying she didn't?

And about Laura saying Julie quit the book club - did she tell you that? Yes.

Back to the conversation about Julie telling Laura about Mark trying to kill her and showing her a pic with a syringe - now he denies he ever said it!

Now he's waffling - it may not be in his notes. Jambois hitting on that!

Dr Spiro is not going to answer a question with a straight answer! Isn't a statement from the defendant's sister a legitimate basis for something, something?

Spiro says "not in that tone of voice",

Jambois hits on that! And you don't know what tone of voice Laura Koster used when she was talking about this; cause Laura never told you she had this conversation!

If Laura said to Julie "I've lived with him for 18 years and you have no idea what he's capable of", you have no idea what tone of voice she used, cause she never told you she said this, did you?"

Jambois is about to get righteous with Spiro!
Judge has to step in and ask the question.

"No such statement was said to me".

Jambois: So you don't know Laura's tone of voice!

Spiro is pissing off Judge Schroeder! "Don't comment, just answer the question"

Judge: This witness is incompetent to answer this question! He has no more ability to answer the question about what Mrs. Koster's tone of voice would be in this instance than any other person walking down the street! Move on to a new topic.

Under recurring thoughts of death and suicide attempts - you indicated that Julie Jensen kept copies of the 23rd Psalm. Is that indication of recurring thoughts of suicide?

I'm not including that as a criterion.

He was told this by someone, and he's included it in his report as part of a criterion, but is denying it now!

Jambois asks about the part in the report where Mark told him Julie turned down the job offering. There is no mention in the evidence of her turning it down. The principal never got to talk to her. Mark answered the phone (attys. didn't tell him that).

Of course, Albee objects... but the judge rules it can come in. Mark had told the principal that she had been sleeping and would be sleeping for a long time and laughed.

The question gets withdrawn but the point is made...

Jambois tearing up Dr Spiro's report to the defense, in which he gives his criteria for making his "Major Depressive Disorder" finding.

He put gossip in his report, according to Jambois! He put this stuff in his notes about Julie's brother dying due to "suspicious circumstances", but now he says he's not going to comment!

He included this story, but he never talked to the brothers of Julie Jensen to find out!

OK, let's see here.... take a bunch of gossip from the defendant's family and treat it as gospel. Take no information from the decedent's family... and the decedent.... yup..... It’s called HOGWASH!

Excellent, calmly made points here by Jambois. Dr Spiro relied only on Mark Jensen's family in making his determination as to Julie Jensen's depression level, and he used what ONLY THE JENSENS SAID. He did not contact Julie's family at all!

He admitted that Dan Jensen's info was largely discounted, because he wasn't a witness to what had occurred with the Griffin brother who attempted suicide. So the only other one he could have heard this from was Mark Jensen, who had every reason in the world to lie to save his own ass!

Hmmm, Spiro put stuff in the report that had nothing to do with the conclusion? He reported abuse and cites death of little brother with no connection to abuse. He writes about bloody bathwater in suicide attempt of brother... but he couldn't confirm details... and then uses them?

This house of cards falls apart!

Who told you of the history of Julie’s brother cutting his arms? I'll have to go through my notes - not sure but I think it was Mark. Form filled out by Griffin family said that a brother attempted suicide. But that form didn't have that statement. Where does that statement come from?

"Based on that description, this was not a trivial arm cutting gesture". What is a trivial arm cutting?
He won't answer or he can't!

Oh, so now Spiro is the defendant and Mr. Jambois is treating him to "allegations"!

Dr. Nita's diagnosis: Severe paranoia prosecutiitis. Put him on suicide watch!

Mr. Jambois is having a good time with this, methinks. Albee looks beaten down.

Date of your report is May 26, 2004. Since then, you'd never heard of a person named Ed Klug? No. Not sure who is it.

Jambois tells him who he is. Co-worker of Mark Jensen who had conversation with Mark that he had been looking up ways to murder his wife on the internet.

Would that affect your professional opinion?
Depends on jury's opinion. Now he's lecturing Jambois on trials! He says anytime new information that comes up before a trial, he is very skeptical.

Do you ignore physical evidence? No.
Do you ignore witness statements? No.

But he did - he completely ignored any of the prosecution's witnesses in determining that this was not a homicide!!!

Wow! The Judge is clarifying questions and the doctor won’t/can’t answer.

Now Spiro says he considered the autopsy reports! Hah! Says the prosecution's story keeps changing!

Who do you think is telling the prosecution's story in this case?
I suppose you are!

Judge asks questions. "Could a suicidal person be murdered?" Yes.

"Based on the evidence you saw in this case, this was more a suicide than a homicide?" Yes.

Judge nailing him on the "suicide is more probable than a homicide" - wouldn't you have had to weigh the evidence of homicide?
The psychological evidence isn't enough for me to tell it was a homicide.

Jambois has no need to do anything - Judge is doing it, and smacking down Dr Spiro in the meantime.

Egad, this is good. Damned good.

Judge asks the question....Can a person with suicidal tendencies be murdered?

Now, he's stonewalling the Judge!

His analysis is totally out of date!

Now we get to the bucks - usual fee is 360 an hour; he put in 50 hours and capped his cost at 5 grand up till his testimony in the trial. Testimony fee is 420 an hour.

Getting into the Chambliss' autopsy report and testimony about Julie being killed by asphyxia (or being strangled). He won’t say no!!!
Judge smacks him down!

He has completely disregarded the autopsy report updates! He is not coming off well.

Spiro again, telling Jambois how he messed up.

Spiro doesn't believe Jambois is doing his job right. Another scathing lecture! He also puts little credence in anything new that has come up in the past years!

He doesn't believe anything the prosecution says... only what the defense says. He's showing his colors here! He is angry with the prosecution because the theory changed. This is the third time he has shouted at Jambois.

Judge Schroeder allows way more raised voices than I've ever seen in a trial, at least without sanctioning the lawyers heavily.

It's not very becoming of him as a judge, either. He needs to control the attorneys and not allow them to shout at him! Nor should he allow a witness lecture an attorney, nor evade answering questions.

OMG! Albee and Spiro...soooooo rehearsed this!

Really, the only thing the jury can consider from this "expert" is that Julie had a major depression. They really can't consider from his evaluation about whether or not it was a homicide, because he didn't seriously consider any of the evidence that directly pointed to homicide.

He didn't even consider the computer searches! Nor Ed Klug's testimony! Nor any of the other evidence of homicide!

Whadya wanna bet Bob Jambois is gonna come up swinging on re-cross?

Spiro is doomed. While it is possible that Julie might have had suicidal tendencies, that in no way proves she committed suicide.

Spiro goes down the road of saying that he didn't consider any of the new information that became available since he wrote his reports.

Well, that covers 9 years, and in these cases, new information is more than likely to come to LE.

Instead, Spiro says he doesn't believe new witnesses and facts.

Jury dismissed for the day!

Wow - Barry Rumack lied like a dog! Judge is pissed! He's been paid a total of $16 grand!

Dr Rumack is going to be questioned about the statements he made in cross exam. When asked how much he had been paid by the defense, he first said he'd submitted an invoice for $4,500 or something to that effect. And then when asked subsequently, he said he was due another $2,600. But he wasn't sure; he didn't have those records with him. He promised to send them.

NOW - defense presents letter from Dr Rumack saying that he had been paid an initial fee of $5,000, and then another $5,000. Plus amounts for the Power Point plus his testimony fee.

Approximate grand total - $16,000! Judge Schroeder is outraged! He believes Dr Rumack totally mis- characterized how much he was receiving for this trial!

Wants him back in court to be questioned, and orders Albee to tell him the arrangements for bringing Dr Rumack back tomorrow morning!

I have been away covering the Cutts trial. I returned to Jensen this afternoon and I had forgotten what a three-ring circus this trial is. Today, the arrogant Dr. Spiro almost made the “big tent” implode!
donchais

Tuesday, February 12, 2008

Bobby Cutts Murder Trial: Day Seven

Jessie’s entire family is all in court. Her brother is leaning forward with his hands over his face.

Judge and attorneys are going through the jury instructions.

I notice Bobby still has a lot of nice clothes. The camera is showing a close up of the family. Now an image of Bobby's father.

I imagine that closing argument will begin shortly after this task.

I notice what donchais has been saying all along. With the Judge standing on the court reporters platform, it makes him appear taller than everyone else.

Defense wants voluntary manslaughter added. Prosecution objects to that. Judge will not include.

Involuntary manslaughter, defense wants instruction. The judge tosses this instruction also.

No lesser count on the 3rd charge to be included.

So, Cutts is facing all 3 murders charges!

No rebuttal witnesses to be called!

Something else brought to his attention before the jury comes in? And the side bar starts.

The Jeopardy theme song starts to wind through my head, just waiting. Donchais points out to me the Stark Co. Prosecutor, John Ferrero. He's been at the prosecution table most of the time.
The jury is now called. They sure do this a lot faster in Ohio. In Cali, we'd be still on cross-examination of Cutts!

Yeah Barr do the closing!

Barr is thanking the jury for their time and attention. Reasonable doubt is a concept. Is it reasonable to believe the evidence in this case? Barr does a good job explaining reasonable doubt to the jury.

To be fair, means to be fair to both the defense and to the State of Ohio. To apply the law to the evidence in this case, and to not consider the possible punishment. It means proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It's a high burden of proof, but it's not impossible. Unless you were there, and unless you saw with your own two eyes, there will be doubt. You have to distinguish between doubt and imaginary doubt. An application between reasonable and what could.

Barr gives an example of comparing it to crossing the street looking both ways and not considering the possibility of the Wizard of Oz characters coming into view. This defendant committed three counts of aggravated murder. If you use reason you, the twelve of you, will be firmly convinced of the defendants guilt.

This case isn't about the state of Ohio's burden to prove, that when he left Stephanie's house, if he had the idea to commit murder, it's if he formed that intent when he was actually in the house.

For 9 days, Cutts deceived everybody. LE, new reporters, his wife, and he pretended to search for a body when he knew exactly where it was.

There is no doubt that Bobby Cutts committed the crimes, the death of Jessie and her child.

The only reasonable explanation of what happened in that house was strangulation. Strangulation is personal. You have to be up close to strangle someone.

What does your reason and common sense tells you what happened in that house? It is that Bobby strangled Jessie. The law says you can't look into the defendants mind. Bobby strangles her, wraps her body in a comforter. It's 6, 6:30 in the morning, Think he was trying to hide that body from the neighbors? He immediately constructs an alibi. He drops her body in tall grass. After he dumps the body and after nine days, a police officer would know the body would decompose, he leads the police to it. You don't hide the body unless you are trying to hide evidence.

Cutts was already in debt. He knew that his wife wasn’t coming back and he would have to pay support for his daughter. He knew he had to pay support for Chloe.

Aggravated burglary, even though they are invited into the house, if they commit an assault, he becomes a trespasser at that point.

The state even allows you to infer, that the minute he starts to murder her, he then commits aggravated burglary. Reason and common sense tells us that Jessie doesn't say, okay Bobby you can stay in my house, the minute he tries to strangle her.

Barr says Cutts knew when he was strangling Jessie that not only was he killing her, he was killing Chloe. Barr said that if medical attention had come, the baby may have survived.

Child endangerment…Cutts left Blake alone for over 24 hours, substantial risk.

We have seen two very different stories here. You heard Myisha’s story and you have the evidence. He was able to sit here and formulate his story to fit the evidence.

For nine days he went about his normal life. Worked, slept, coached, bought his daughter a toy.

Bobby’s story is unbelievable. A man trained to handle emergencies. His reaction is the reaction of a person who has committed a crime and is trying to cover it up.

Blake couldn’t have poured it. He had no shoes on. Blake would have walked through it. He would have had chemical burns on his feet.

Bobby showed you how he opened the bleach, how he held it. There is no doubt that Bobby held the bottle. He told you he did.

Barr said that Cutts said that he didn't want Blake so "see his mom that way," so why didn't he close the bedroom door and take Blake with him? Reason and common sense would say that's the appropriate thing to do. NOT take the body, cover it up and put it in an open field, unless, he's trying to get way with murder. It's not reasonable. It doesn't make sense.

Jessie was 5’4”. Bobby is 6’. There is no way his elbow hit Jessie in the throat. She would have been struck in the face or the head.

His story about the phone. It's not reasonable. We know he got there around 5:30 am. The phone was turned off at 5:30. Not reasonable to think that Jessie turned that phone off when she got up. It comes down to, Myisha, whose version of the events differs so much from Bobby's.

"I have never see him like that. He was dysfunctional." I think anyone would be dysfunctional. Adrina corroborates Myisha; Bobby corroborates Myisha.

"He would start to speak in spurts. something bad happened. My baby's mom. In the back. She’s in the back. He used his arm."

Barr demonstrates Myisha's testimony about the arm movement on the witness stand.

This movement could cause strangulation after seven minutes. He called Jessie's phone at 7 am! When he lied to the police on two occasions, he certainly could remember what he said. But it's hard to remember the lies that you said.

"I was kind do mad. You could of at lest called, I could have gotten more sleep." He leaves a message when she's in the back of the truck, why? Because he's 'beginning to cover up. He's got Myisha's, now he's got phone calls. Better leave a message. He's upset. "Why didn't she bring him over?" At some point he called coach Garcia. You heard Garcia who said, Bobby said he was going to be a little bit late.

Barr is really doing a great job!

Again, hard to keep your stories straight. He stopped at some point and Myisha sees feet, wrapped in bedding Bobby tells her that he wrapped her up. What corroborates Myisha? Blake's statement. "Mommy's in the rug. Mommy broke the table." Not Bobby's statement that he fell on the bed. But Mommy did. "Mommy's crying." As Bobby's arm was around her neck and squeezing the life out of her I'm sure she was crying. Now how does Blake make this up?

What corroborates further that Blake saw what he saw. Buns in his bed. This wonderful father left Blake so food. A couple hamburger buns and some water. Do you think Blake got those out himself and put the plastic package back on the counter?

Maybe it was to appease him, because he just saw mommy murdered. That's not a reasonable conclusion that that Blake got those buns out himself.

Bobby has and explanation for everything, how convenient!

Barr keeps hammering on “an attempt to conceal” and Cutts’ action aren’t reasonable.

He didn't leave that body out on the road where it could be found. He sits there on the stand and tells you he had no intention to hide that body! Unreasonable!

What did he intend? The inference is was to destroy the evidence of this crime. Myisha said, Bobby said that "She bit me." Bobby explained it away with the fire pit. Not reasonable explanations. And then, after you've murdered this woman and her baby, thrown the body in the back of the truck, you've taken it and dumped it in a remote location where it cant' be found, he's worried about bugs on his windshield!!! Is that reasonable? He's worried about getting rid of evidence! Is that reasonable, or is it another attempt to hide the evidence?

Is that reasonable that he then sees this pillow in the back of his truck and then decides to throw it away? There were two white bags. Myshia said it was in that other white bag. A burgundy item with a pattern on it, she could see through the plastic. Somehow some way, Bobby got something on that, maybe it was blood and he needed to destroy that evidence too. So he took it with him in a plastic bag, and he threw that out. Again, attempt to conceal the evidence in the commission of a crime.

Myisha said he gave her 100 dollars. And then he wished he could give her more. He couldn't get to his bank. And then he stops and buys mulch. And that's what we find in the back of his truck. It all corroborates Myisha.

Bobby leaves another message on Jessie’s phone. Evidence of an alibi to conceal that fact of a cover-up.

Barr tells the jury that on June 16th (Saturday), Cutts called Jessie's mother and asked if Blake saw anything. Barr said, "Yeah, he did Bobby, he saw Mommy in a rug and he saw you mad."

This is so difficult on Jessie’s family. They all look so sad.

Only after LE told him they know he lied about where he was when he made the phone calls. Then he led the to the body.

Actions speak louder than words. In this case, Bobby's actions speak of consciousness of guilt. Let's look at consciousness of guilt. 11:58 on Friday, Stephanie sends him a text message and says, "you must be really going though a lot today."

Bobby says in a text message back, "I think my phone is tapped!"

Consciousness of guilt. Not only did he hide the body, but he kept the location secret for nine days. A close up of Jessie's Father is leaning forward, breaking down. Trying to compose himself.

Reason and common sense apply to all of this that Bobby Cutts completed three counts of aggravated murder. Don't let him benefit by his continued deception. Find him guilty as charged.

Very powerful closing. I am impressed!

Mack for the defense~

He thanks the jury for their attention to the case.

Are you outraged yet? Is it because you’ve seen the photos of the decomposing body? Is it the fact that Blake was left alone? The women they paraded through that he was having extramarital affairs? He a liar? That doesn’t make him a murderer. You have to be outraged. It doesn’t tell you the facts and circumstances around Jessie’s death.

Mack says that the jury may be outraged at what they've seen but that outrage does not mean that aggravated murder was committed.

Mack says there was no nice and clean evidence presented by the prosecution.

This whole bit about strangulation? Name one witness that came in here and said, “I can tell you with some certainty that Bobby strangled Jessie”.

The prosecution is playing to your emotions.

The prosecution took the low road bringing in all these women. They brought them in to prove his a liar and cheat and isn’t worth anything.

Richard Mitchell said Booby said something to the effect that, “I’m going to kill the bitch and throw in the woods.”
He couldn’t provide the context or the circumstance in which it was said. Mack is questioning the reliability of Richard Mitchell.

There was never a problem between Bobby and Jessie. He said that Jessie would have said something to her mother on the night of June 13th if there was a problem and that never happened.

Mack is recounting Cutts' testimony about what happened on the morning of June 14th - repeating that Bobby went to the house, announced his presence and went upstairs.

Mack tells the jury that after Bobby struck Jessie, he made the effort to go over to see if she was okay. He said that Bobby checked for a pulse and then began to panic. Mack said he still tried CPR on Jessie.

Bobby did not go to Jessie's house to commit murder. Mack said that in order for the State to prove aggravated murder, they have to prove that Bobby went to Jessie's with the intent to kill her and there's no evidence of that.

Mack said that people who commit murder do not take the authorities to the body. Mack said that Bobby gave in to his conscience -- he made a wrong decision and then a right decision.

Ranke is now finishing closing.

Saying that Cutts had no financial burden. He paid his bills on time. There is no financial pressure to commit murder.
Child support as motive for killing somebody is not reasonable.

She is intimating that Blake dumped the purse on the floor.

Bobby was treated as a suspect from the very beginning. He was the only interviewed and taped numerous times.

Ranke just said Cutts and Mitchell talked together a lot because they were friends! Cutts denied that yesterday, he said the golfed and coached but, they weren’t best friends!

Ranke is also saying that Blake was responsible for spilling all the bleach.

Ranke says there was no purposeful murder of the fetus.

Ranke is finished.

Sidebar before rebuttal…

Dennis Barr, will have 13 minutes left after the sidebar.

Barr says obviously Ms. Ranke blames Blake for a lot of this.

It’s not about the fact he didn’t clean up the house and pick the table up. It’s about aggravated murder.

Cutts had a pang of conscience after nine days? C’mon!
Barr says Bobby didn't voluntarily lead them to the body, he knew the gig was up and tried to make himself look better.

It’s not about us playing to your emotions its about using your common sense. Thank you!

Judge is released jury for lunch. They will return at 12:30 and when they return, he will give them the instructions, which will be lengthy.

The jury will begin deliberations this afternoon.

Mack and Ranke are asking the Judge to include manslaughter again. Denied!

The judge is now reading the 100 page instructions to the jury.

Awww, Bobby is yawning, obviously the jury instructions are boring him and putting him to sleep!

Holy cow, we have been reading for an hour and half and the Judge just said we have another hour or so. They are only on page 50!

3:05 pm - Well, that’s it. We are now on Verdict Watch!

Our minds are made up! How ‘bout yours?

If a verdict is reached before the end of this week, there will be no mitigation next week, the earliest that sentencing would begin to be decided is on Monday, February 25th. It's expected that the jury will deliberate until 6pm each evening.

Thanks Sprocket for getting up at 5am to help me!

Wow, Ohio is really strict with the amount of time you are allowed for closing arguments. Is that just this Judge or is this how it works in all Ohio courts? Does anyone have an answer to this question?


CNN In Session Commentary


Monday, February 11, 2008

Mark Jensen Murder Trial

Guest entry by ritanita and Intrepid.

Day 24 – 2/11/08

With the defense underway, it's time for Julie-bashing big time. I'm hearing that Laura counseled Julie that she didn't know what Mark was capable of doing. She's also called Det. Ratzburg to say she thinks her brother did it. This is on with Lisa Bloom on TruTv. The judge ruled Friday that this information will not come in.

Dr. Borman on the stand.

Dr. Richard J. Borman, the Jensen's family doctor
He is Board Certified in Family Practice since 1982. He treated the Jensen's since 1993.

Julie would make the contacts with the doctor for the family. David had problems with a cough, which was a persisting and recurring problem; it increased in 1998 and was referred to an ENT and Allergist. November 23, 1998, the coughs began escalating and he developed facial tics. They were attempting to find a neurologist. The cough could be a nervous manifestation, along with the tics. It can be related to stress in the home. The tics and coughs resolved themselves by April 1999.

He saw Julie Jensen in the fall of 1998.

9/21/98 - (Reading from Dr. Borman's notes) "Interval appt." he does yearly with patients. Yearly check-up. Julie weighed 123.5 lbs., and wasn't taking any prescription medications.

Mr. Albee starts writing a chart.

There is a discussion of David's tics, strong family history of depression, reviewed past year: Julie had had a tubal ligation. Some PMS, Julie was doing volunteer work, didn't smoke, drank very little alcohol, 1 cup coffee/day, no illicit drugs. No change in weight or diet. Sleep was good, but she was tired. She had been treated with Prozac in the past. (The doctor reports she felt tired, had PMS symptoms, the doctor was concerned with depression, Julie didn't bring it up. He thought she could be somewhat depressed.) She was diagnosed with mild depression, PMS (could be emotional), and possible peri-menopause.

She mentions her father died of lung cancer in his 70's.
Julie had acne and rosaecia. Otherwise, a normal check-up.

Julie made subsequent phone calls to Dr Borman, and he made some RX adjustments. Changes of meds, discussions with Insurance company.

9/25/98 - Phone call. Cataflam renewal.
10/29/98 - Phone call. Substitute for Cataflam (anti-inflammatory for arthritis and pain.)
10/30/98 - Phone call. Change prescription. For Volterin (same type of med. insurance problems.)
12/1/98 - Office visit. Discussion of a personal matter. Weight 115, on no medicine. She says she's miserable, depressed, decreased appetite and diarrhea. Appt. was apparently on short notice. Marital problems... alluded to brief affair in past that Mark never forgave her for. She might be losing her marriage and that she might lose her kids and they meant everything to her. She said no domestic violence (emotional, physical, financial).

No wonder she's miserable and depressed! She's sick as a dog from being poisoned! At this point I'd bet she knew about Mark's affair.

He asked her about domestic violence, and she said there was none. He asks about this when female patients come in depressed. Just to make sure.

Julie was very upset on that day - it seemed like she was there because she wanted some help, said Dr Borman. Albee asks why Dr Borman would treat someone who had depression.....he said that 1/3 of his patients have depression. Many don't want to go and see a psychiatrist, because of the stigma. Plus there are not so many psychiatrists in Kenosha, and if someone calls a psychiatrist it can take weeks to get an appointment. He can see them in 15 minutes.

If he can see them, sometimes it just helps if they talk it out. Or he can prescribe anti-depressants. That sometimes helps, in the short term.

Now Albee is talking about the possible stigma of seeing a psychiatrist -vs- seeing a family physician for depression/mental health issues. Most people would prefer to do that, because it's not obvious what they're seeing a doctor for.

He evaluated her for suicidal tendencies - that's what they do when people come in for depression. She denied any suicidal thoughts or tendencies - the boys meant everything to her, and she didn't want to lose them.

Albee asks about addressing intervention for suicide potential - Borman said yes, we do an evaluation.

"If someone is suicidal, you'll act on that immediately?" Yes, we'll try to get them immediate placement in a facility, or other help.

And Albee is stuck on "Suicide", even though Dr Borman said she didn't appear suicidal.

The degree of emotional upset Julie had concerned him. He noted that she had a strong family history of her mom's alcohol problems and tragic death. She was concerned about that; she didn't want to go down the same road as her mother, being labeled "Crazy".

She had been in counseling and had taken Prozac in the past. She was in tears, very upset. Dr Borman counseled her for 15 and a half minutes.

"O:" Means objective - what they see in front of them in the patient. Subjective was her reports of her history, and what she said.

In tears (highly upset, he said. he'd never seen her looking like that. Depressed, distraught, frantic)

His diagnosis of her mental health - depression. Quite upset - more than mild depression. Upset enough that he gave her medicine. He prescribed Paxil. Rxs - code for samples. He gave her a package of 20 mg (typical starting dose) and he gave her 35 mg. More than a month's supply.

Albee asks if he diagnosed her as having a "major depressive disorder" - objection, overruled. He said there are shades of grey in diagnosing mental health issues. In coding it's important, but in clinical practice that doesn't help. It wasn't diagnosed as "major", but it surely wasn't minor.

Albee's trying like gangbusters to get Dr Borman to admit that Julie was "Majorly depressed"! Dr Borman is sticking with his assessments.

Was there a discussion about inpatient treatment? Not really. She was very much interested in not being labeled as "crazy" she would lose her family. Dr Borman didn't offer her inpatient treatment, so he can't comment on it.

Did she give any indication on why she was concerned about losing the kids? She said her kids meant everything to her and she didn't want to lose them.

Albee is doing his typical beating of a dead horse and trying his best to get this doctor to say Julie was so depressed she would kill herself!

Now discussing December 2nd, and Mark came to the window of his office and discussed his concerns about Julie possibly having side effects. She wasn't sleeping and if she got some sleep things would be better. Gave him a prescription for Ambien - 10 mg. One at bedtime if needed. Just a few pills, with possible refills.

Mark had looked up side affects of Paxil on the internet.

Mark came in around mid-day, toward end of the morning.

In the records, Julie Jensen in prior years had some respiratory issues? From June 19, 1998 - phone call complaining of sinus headache, wheezy, no fever. Went to ER and they diagnosed Sinus infection. He prescribed a steroid to help with breathing issues.

She also called on June 22 about David having some coughing.

On Aug 12, 1998. She had bronchitis, coughing, chest tightening.

On December 7th - discussed with Roger Johnson of Medical Examiner's office re: Julie's untimely death. He wasn't notified nor questioned. He found out by reading her obit.

Talked with Mark at the funeral home. Mark said she refused any medical help.
He was surprised no one had called him before the 7th.

He visited with Mark at the wake on Sunday. Julie had breathing problems - declined to go to ER.

Talked with a police officer after that time.

Met with Det Ratzburg on January 14, 1999. Followed up with a letter dated Feb 5, 1999. Det Ratzburg wanted a summary of visits by Julie and Mark in his office.

Dr Borman sent him the stuff from his notes.

He also saw Mark on December 14, 1998 - upper respiratory problems. Kids had it too. Objection - sustained. Now overruled.

Mark told him he'd just returned to work - he was sick. How were kids handling their mom's death? Doing ok. Ongoing problems for GERD. Mark was also on Librium for spasms......

Mark related a story about Julie's condition - Objection due to hearsay. Sustained.

Julie was often the one who took care of the family's medical issues? Yes. Particularly the boys' health issues. And with Mark - Julie had made the appointments or calls and got the prescriptions.

In Fall of '98 - what prescriptions did Julie call in for Mark? She'd called in (9/3/98) for Zyban - for stopping smoking. 11/11/98 - prescription for Nicotrol. Both for smoking cessation.

When you saw Mark at the wake - was he acting appropriately? He was appropriately upset - didn't do anything inappropriate to the situation.

During meeting w/Julie 12/1 - did Julie express fear of her husband? No.
Express fear of her husband poisoning her? No.
Felt she was in danger? No.
Mentions of abuse in the home? No.

If Julie had made mention of thinking she was being poisoned, or abused in her home, Dr Borman would have called the police and/or DA's office.

He'd never seen Julie like she was on December 1st. Her condition was worse than it was in September.

Jambois on cross-exam; about Dr Borman's experience with domestic abuse.

How forthcoming are domestic abuse victims in coming forward and discussing the issue? (He's had training in it - all physicians do.) It's varied.

Not unusual for victims to under report? Can happen.
Domestic abuse can manifest in different ways? Yes.

Difference between depression and feeling sad. Continuum - gradations. Goes into the things he uses to quantify "feelings". Sad is more common, but things like sleep difficulties, weight changes, social interaction.

Are you aware Julie Jensen disclosed to other people that she felt her husband was trying to poison her? Yes.
Did she express that to you? No.
If she had, would you have given her husband Ambien? No.

Is it uncommon to prescribe for one spouse based on representations of other spouse? No.
You prescribed Ambien to Julie based on what Mark said on December 2nd - but if you'd known Mark was trying to poison her, would you have given it to her? No.

Is it a good way to poison your spouse by giving them Ambien, thus making them less aware? Don't have any experience with that.

When Julie came in on December 1 - did she tell you she had problems sleeping? Don't remember.

B ackground of what's going on
A ffectng person
T roubling to them?
H andling it, how?
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Julie told nurse she was there to discuss a personal matter, told Dr she was depressed.

Isn't sleep issues a significant factor in whether or not somebody is depressed? Yes.

Julie didn't discuss anything about sleep problems when she came in on December 1st. Mark was the first person to tell him Julie had sleep issues. He thought Julie would feel better if she could sleep.....

Dr wishes he had called her to check on her.....

Did you tell Mark to do something in that visit? He told him to make sure she followed up, and that if she worsened to get her to the ER.

No evidence of breathing problems on the 1st, and it was a significant deterioration for her to have breathing issues on the 2nd/3rd.

Now talking about medical codes - and specific codes for specific disorders. "Dysthymic disorder"......

"having depression issues for more than 2 years...." So does this apply? No. She hadn't been complaining of depression for two years.

Did she mention her husband was having an affair? No. Did she tell you she was afraid to eat anything in the house because she thought mark was poisoning her? No.

What did she say about her kids? She loved them more than anything and didn't want to lose them. Having feelings of love for a person is a good reason not to commit suicide? Yes, should be.

I like the way Mr. Jambois gives a sly little grin when he gets his hypothetical question read back. That question is so powerful, the answer is well understood before the doctor opens his mouth!

Mark made a point to indicate on December 14 he didn't call in for the Nicotrol Inhaler, Julie did.

3 Ambien pills missing on December 2! Dr didn't know. That would constitute an overdose according to your prescription? Yes.

What would those missing pills do to a 110 lb woman? Very sedating. Mixed with Benadryl? More sedating. Mixed with Librium? Even more sedating.

What did Mark say about Paxil side affects? Didn't write it down, so don't know.

Mark talk about marital problems on the 2nd? No. Tell you he was having a sexual affair? No.

What about BATHE and SIGECAPS - if woman comes to you and tells you she's miserable, depressed, husband having an affair and trying to poison her. Albee objects to what Jambois is going to say.....overruled.

If woman comes to you saying she loves her children, she's depressed, frantic, thinks her husband is having an affair, is trying to poison her, marriage is on the rocks, husband makes her look crazy - cause you to conclude she's depressed or sad in responding to the circumstances? Those aren't the facts I've been presented, but in this hypothetical, I'd say there was depression or anxiety. If she was paranoid, I'd have enlisted psychiatry or would enlisted legal help.

Jambois getting in the fact that if the doctor had known what was going on in Julie's life; he would have never prescribed Ambien. He also would have helped Julie get out of the house!

What questions did the doctor ask Mark on the 2nd? Just took it from him she was having trouble sleeping. Did you ask Mark if Julie was suicidal? No. Did you ask Mark if he wanted Julie out of the house? No.

No further questions. Albee on re-direct.

Did you discuss with Julie her experience with nursing school? Don't recall.

At the wake, Mark told you Julie didn't want him to take her to the hospital - consistent with her discussion with you about not wanting to appear crazy? Yes.

Albee categorizes "Depression" as a mental health issue. However, it's more in the purview of a physical health one, because of "chemical imbalances" with Serotonin and other brain chemicals.

He is trying to drive home that Julie was unstable. Crazy. Suicidal. But there is no indication that she was suicidal at all.

Talking about the symptoms of side affects with Paxil.

Laura Kosner, Mark's sister retakes the stand to continue her direct examination. Jean Casarez stated that during her testimony yesterday, she and Mark had absolutely no eye contact!

Laura is asked why Mark was such a good father. He would roughhouse with the kids and go on fishing trips. Since Julie passed away, he's remained a good parent. She is still close to his children and sees them on a regular basis. Eldest is looking to go to medical school. Both boys do very well in school. David will graduate this year. Her son is still close with David.

Mark started in a brokerage business after college. He started in Illinois and moved back to Wisconsin. He was doing very well, the Jensen's were financially secure.

Before they had children Mark and Julie would go camping with friends, watched movies. After the children, they didn't go camping anymore. When they got together, the socialization was more hanging out with the family, movies.

Julie was very good with the children. She was an instructional sort of parent.

Laura was aware of Julie's affair. First heard it from her husband, then Julie. (They rode the train to Illinois together.) Julie asked Laura to lunch to tell her. She was crazy about this guy and was in love with him, she was thinking about a divorce to be with him. Laura cautioned her because she felt Julie hadn't really thought it through thoroughly, that there would be complications in a divorce. Julie listened to her and said she would think about it. Julie filed for divorce after the conversation.

Julie left her job but Laura doesn't know if it was because of the affair.

April 1995 Laura took a 1-year leave of absence from her job due to the bizarre incident. Albee is trying to get Laura to say that she was concerned that Julie was having mental problems. Laura says she never addressed "her concerns" with Julie because of Julie's fear of developing mental illness. She felt that since Mark was there, he could address the problem with Julie.

Laura had heard from Julie that her mother suffered from alcoholism and some sort of mental illness, a suicide attempt... (brother).

Julie's youngest brother had died and that she and her family speculated as to whether her mother had been involved in the death. Julie didn't seem concerned about that.

As Julie's best friend and was so at the time of her death. Julie didn't have many close friends. There was one in another state whom she spoke on the phone. She was "social" with, but not close to her neighbors. She enjoyed the book club, but wanted to drop it...

1998 - Laura saw Julie often. They would get together and the children would play on Laura's days off from work. They took the boys to karate at the KYF (Kenosha Youth Foundation) twice a week. Julie would take Drake and Laura would meet her there. The boys went to karate until her death.

Julie enjoyed being home with her sons. In fall of 1998, Douglas began pre-school. Julie was sad that he was going, even for half a day. "It was a mourning" for her last child going on... She tried to volunteer at the hospital as a Candy Striper (it lasted only a day or two, it wasn't what she expected.) She applied for jobs at some of the schools in town. She received an offer from one of the schools, but she didn't take it. Objection - sustained! Julie TOLD Laura she turned it down.

Julie ran the household including financial issues (checkbook and managing the house). Julie and Laura had a discussion about how Julie used computer program for balancing the checkbook with Quicken.

Albee is fishing for computer information.

They had conversations that led her to the conclusion that she did research. She'd call Julie and Julie would look things up. She always had plan-based activities for the kids and used the Disney Channel for them.

Medical issues - if there was one in the family, she'd call Julie because of her medical knowledge.

Laura is shown a check register and testifies it is in Julie's handwriting. There are notations of a Q on a number of dates.

10/12/02 - Kenosha Hospital - smock (haven't we heard that before?)

Julie Jensen had her own car, her own money. She was free to come and go as she pleased, acted independently without instruction from her husband.

Albee brings up David's tics. She saw them and talked to Julie about them. Julie was aware of them for a while and was going to take him to the doctor. Julie told him "stop it" when he would do it. After her death, they went away. He still doesn't have them.

Douglas DOB March 12, 1994. He is now 12, 13 next month. She's corrected the year is 1995.

Thanksgiving, 1998... Laura remembers that they asked if David could go up north with them. It created an argument between Mark and Julie. David went, but Julie wasn't very happy about it.

Had conversations with Julie about concerns with Mark in the fall of 1998.

1. pictures of Marks planner - Julie asks her opinion. List - she doesn't remember anything about what was on the list.
Albee- would she remember a poison? - Probably
There was a syringe on top, but no needle! Julie thought the planner and "piece" of plastic was odd. Laura thought Julie's taking a picture of the planner was odd. Laura thought Julie told her she'd given the folder to a neighbor.

2. Later conversation - related to Mark trying to kill her. Wanted Laura's opinion. Laura told her that she "didn't see her being at risk," but if she did, she should take car, kids, checkbook and go to either her or Paul (her brother's) house. Julie didn't respond and her demeanor was unsure. Laura never discussed this with Mark because they had a conversation where he asked her about her observations about Julie. Laura gave them a recommendation to a counselor, "Schroeder?" Judge gives correct pronunciation...!

Mr. Jambois is again objecting to more witnesses to testimony about Aaron Dillard’s character. They are extrinsic evidence.

Mr. Albee states bias and motive are not collateral evidence. Renews desire to bring back the policeman who made Aaron Dillard cry! "I can win every point in this trial" and lose if the jury believes Dillard!

Judge Schroeder says that the jury has no substantial doubt that Mr. Dillard is a liar.

Albee goes on, on, on, on......

Judge still doesn't "see it."

Albee goes on, on, on again...

Judge says if Albee can show an alternate source for the information to which he testified, that would be OK.

Albee says he has a special skill to come up with the evidence... on, on, and on again...

Judge says that Albee's proved Jensen had the information in his cell and that there was opportunity for Dillard... Albee goes on, on, cunning, on, on, con, on, on, on...special skills in this area....

Jambois indicates that Ms. Spear's testimony will not impeach Dillard, because Dillard has already admitted to being a liar, thief, etc.

Albee - "special skill", on, on, on, on... degree to which he ripped off on, on, on, on.... SOPHISTICATED CON MAN... LOSE THIS POINT, I COULD LOSE THIS CASE! I need to make an EXTENSIVE offer of proof and may still put them on for other reasons....

Judge says, "well, that's another matter..."

According to Mr. Albee, Aaron Dillard is SO special!

Laura Kosner continues direct testimony

Conversation with Julie at karate class the Monday before she died.. (Nov. 30) Julie said she was going to see the doctor to be treated for depression. She wouldn't be at karate class next week (because taking meds and she felt terrible last time she took them?). Thought appt. would be Tues., Dec. 1. Julie hadn't mentioned depression before. Never mentioned previous counseling. Mark would bring David on Dec. 2, (5:30-6:30 pm). She told Julie to call if she needed help, Julie said she loved Laura and was essentially a good friend.

That was the last time she saw Julie.

Laura had a car accident in the fall and was all wound up. Julie wasn't involved in the story she was telling her... she was odd, "completely internalized," she stood off to one side all by herself.

When the topic came up the next week, Julie was very excited and reacted to the story.

The accident was about a month before she died.

Albee goes into Julie's family. Brother Paul lived in Kenosha and they saw each other for special occasions.

Dec. 3, she found out when she was called to get the children. She attended the wake and funeral and didn't see inappropriate behavior. He seemed to be grieving.

She saw Mark every day for a while after. He didn't know the kids' logistics. Laura updated contact information at school, went over kids' schedule with them so that he could function in the house. Other friends brought him food and try to help.

How was Mark with the kids after Julie's death? Good, trying to get through, with work and kids.

End Direct

Jambois questioned her at the hearing in June. She didn't mention this conversation. Objection...

Did she contact LE about poison Julie (HER BEST FRIEND) told her about? No
Did she know the only person w/Julie the 3 days before she died w/kids, was Mark? No
Julie was a good parent? Yes
Wouldn't a GOOD PARENT, when they see the OTHER GOOD PARENT, is so sick....
Objection about GOOD PARENT - sustained

Back to hearing last year.
Jambois is questioning about July 30, hearing testimony.

Julie called her about day planner? going on... objection... he's not reading it correctly... sustained

Albee wants to relate questions he asked at hearing... reading very, very fast.... SLOW DOWN!

Jambois wants to ask questions about....

Judge - False alarm. (Meaning her comments about Mark.)

Albee - He's trying to get Laura to answer questions he didn't ask at the hearing. He can't impeach her for not volunteering answers. She didn't tell him, because he didn't ask.

Jambois - Points out places where Laura didn't answer questions fully AND he asked.

Claims it's a prior inconsistent statement because she didn't mention the last conversation.

Albee - Disagrees! "Witnesses shouldn't volunteer anything."

Judge can't find the question. Jamboise finds it and they parse out the answer. The judge says they're not inconsistent.

Jambois - She CHOSE not to answer at the time. Did she meet with Albee to discuss not answering? She refused to talk to police after Julie's death.

The jury is sent out.

1995 She had Julie stop taking care of Drake. Yes
Time from work to Julie's house? 20-25 min.
Kids had been in pool? Doesn’t remember where they had been, she wasn't there
Mark wasn't arrested till much later? Did you discuss it with your husband? Yes
Discuss poison issue? Yes
Tell police? No didn't come forward because she knew Julie had other "mental incidents."
Not because Mark was her brother? No
Timing of last conversation. First public notice comes in courtroom today. They respectfully declined to speak with authorities. Cancelled with Det. Ratzburg and he didn't call back to reschedule. Wrote letter refusing to speak with pros.

Laura was an alibi witness at some trial for her father?

Albee objects...

Jury sent out

Albee mad - judge sends jury out. Big fight to ensue......

And Albee moves for a mistrial! Who'd a thunk it?

Albee mad about the questions Jambois is asking sister of Mark about what he's asking. Prosecution is trying to disparage Mark Jensen and his family. Wah wah wah…

Jambois says this is an alibi witness and it should be allowed!

WOW! Jambois wants to impeach this witness based on previous perjury???????????

Judge doesn't like that this matter has been brought into this trial - rage! - that this matter comes up without discussing it with the court. He doesn't like that this stuff comes in 18 years after the situation. Too remote in time, and not probative.

Court is not going to re-try these matters. And judge is really peeved at Jambois.

Jambois is trying to go tit-for-tat because Albee kept bringing stuff up on Stallings, and judge smacked it down.
The question about truthfulness is germane to the fact of her not calling back the LE to schedule an interview......

YOWSERS! Albee shouts at judge!

Does this have to do with a case against Popa Jensen for burglary? And did Laura testify falsely in that case?

Each side wants to bring in old cases to prove their point... LOL! The Jensens are a bunch of liars! The entire family lied to protect Pops who was burglarizing papers for an SEC investigation! He was found guilty IN SPITE of their lies.

Mistrial motion denied.

Yep, looks like the whole damned family is a bunch of lying crooks. And murderers.

Bob Jambois speaks so quickly! But she will not answer directly. Now she's trying to logic it out as to when Julie developed pictures, and when they spoke. And she doesn't remember when someone asked her about this conversation with Julie.

Jambois said "basically you can remember crap about this conversation" (paraphrasing) and she said "Only that it was in that fall". She's being vague on the date. Did you sit down prior to the July 2007 with Mr Albee and discuss this case at length? Yes.

Woooo......now Jambois is hinting that the defense attorneys tried to get her to fudge on the date she spoke with Julie! Albee objects and has a motion.......wonder what that will be?

Re-direct

Albee brings up the "feces" incident and that she took off a year from work to take care of her own son. Since it was March or April, do you think it had to do with the pool? No, I mentioned it the other day because the pool was another problem.

Albee brings up that since she testified in July, she's spoken to him again.

Any advice from defense counsel. No

She's done!

Next witness: Joan Wise, she is a retired Secure Insurance. She worked there for 5 years.

She worked with Ed Klug She was his assistant for 10 years. 1998 they all left Baird to work at Stifel. Mark Jensen was her manager until Ed got licensed. Klug and Wruck were co-managers. She met Mark once when he came to work on the transition. She doesn't even remember he was the manager until Albee reminded her at the hearing.

She remained his asst. till May 2001, about 10 years.

Klug came out and said that he'd heard that Mark Jensen's wife had died and she had committed suicide.

He said nothing about Mark and Julie, never told her that he said Mark wanted his wife dead.

She spoke with Det. Ratzburg on phone. He asked about Mr. Jensen and she said she didn't remember the conversation about Mark killing his wife. Santo had left a message on her answering machine; police said she wouldn't want to talk to him, so she never called him back. Spoke with him when he delivered subpoena for hearing. He's kept her up on the situation up until the trial.

Mr. Klug's character: he wasn't very truthful, had a reputation that you couldn't believe a word he said, was an attention speaker.

Jambois: She was required by Klug to go to anger management training and then he fired her. It made her angry at the time.

First she heard of Mark's arrest was when police called her. Did she hear others in the office tell Klug say he should go to police with what he knew? - No

Stacy Bauer - sat up front and Klug spoke to her separately.

Bonnie LaClaire would have heard the conversation she did.

Kelly LaBonte - She and Mark helped them with paperwork. Their relationship was pretty obvious; looks, time together, seemed they had a relationship.

Ron Wruck and Ed Klug - never had a conversation in front of her and Bonnie about Ed's going to the police.

Guess she has a bit on an ax to grind with Ed.

Re-direct

Ed Klug fired her because she had an abscessed tooth and had to call in sick. Ed wanted her to go to the office... called her 4 times. At 3PM he called and fired her.

Her opinion was that he was a liar before and after being fired.

New witness: Debra Tegel. Formerly Spears.

Does she know Aaron Dillard? Yes had a personal relationship with her. She met him when she was out one evening. He introduced himself as Kyle Resnic.

She's an "impeach Aaron Dillard" witness.

She didn't believe "Kyle", so she got his wallet and looked in it and found out his name was "Aaron Dillard". She checked him out and found out he was not a good person. She had "borrowed" him money.

She knew Aaron Dillard as "Kyle Resnic" for two weeks, and when she found out he had lied, she stayed with him long enough to try and re-coup some of the money she "borrowed" him. She said he has no character, and is a liar.

No questions from Jambois. Dismissed. Boy, that was quick!

Next witness: Lt. Mark Hunter, w/ Pleasant Prairie police department. 23 years.

He came into contact with Julie Jensen in 1991/2, he'd been called to their home for hang-up phone calls that had been received. She wanted a phone trace put on her phone. Wisconsin Bell had put one on, but they didn't come up with any.

She suspected the calls were coming from Illinois, but Wisconsin Bell couldn't do a trace out of state. She was convinced that Perry was making them but she couldn't prove it.

August 13, 1991 report. And August 26, 1991. She and her husband had been receiving pornographic pieces of mail and hang-up phone calls. Garage door had been opened and lawn furniture had been moved, and neither her nor her husband had done it.

Next contact - January 8. He had in fact called Perry Terica. He worked at Dean Whitter in Illinois. On 8:30 am he called and asked for Perry Terica. Introduced himself and told him that Julie had been getting calls and she was tired of it. Perry got snappy on the phone. "Listen here mister - how dare you call and harass me?" "I respected her wishes and I haven't contacted her".

Perry denied calling her and denied having in any way trying to contact Julie.

When she went out of town she asked for extra patrols. When she'd returned from vacation, her sister Jill had called and told her to come and get something. It was a letter from Perry. Love letter, Christmas card, well wishes. Post marked Jan 6, but Lt Hunter had talked with him on the 8th. He could have told Lt Hunter that he had sent a card to Julie two days earlier, but he was adamant on the phone that he hadn't contacted her.

He was also at the Jensen household the night Julie died. He went to the scene to take photos of the interior of the home. He was told by Lt Ratzburg to take photos of each room. He doesn't know what time he was there, but he was called at 5 pm. He may have been there at around 6:30.

Brings out reports. No documents that tell when the photographs were taken, though.

He seized a leather bound day timer of Mark Jensen's.

He didn't seize it, he just looked through it. Lt Ratzburg would have seized it, since he was in charge of the scene. He doesn't remember if he alerted them to the importance of it or not.

Issue has to do with what was said about Aaron Dillard and how Albee insinuated that Ms Gabrielle had put words in Dillard's mouth.

And about the conversation that occurred on the Monday before Julie died between Julie and Laura. Albee is mad cause he said that Prosecutors made him look bad.

Jambois said he thinks Albee is a fine attorney - no desire to make him look bad.

Another mistrial called for? Yep.

Judge says no more monkey business!

Albee talking about who he's going to bring in as witnesses - Mr. Montgomery regarding false statements by Rhonda Mitchell.

Now Albee is saying Rhonda Mitchell lied on the stand! Judge says he's not going to let one witness come on and say another one lied on the stand!

So now the judge is going to let this Mr. Montgomery testify? He's such a flip-flop!

Still wrangling through the calling of witnesses - Judge remembers that Rhonda Mitchell called Mr. Montgomery to confirm what a 3rd party cookie was.

Ya know - if Rhonda Mitchell didn't know what a 3rd party cookie was, why the heck was she even called as an expert? That seems to be something a computer analyst should know!!!

Jury called back in, and Albee still questioning Lt Hunter. Asking him to identify photos taken at the scene.

He doesn't recall what was seized at the scene.

All pics were taken on December 3, 1998.

Ms Gabrielle up on cross - Perry Terica's one letter doesn't really constitute harassment, right? Yes. It may not reach to state charge level, but it does according to local ordinances.

But at the time Julie thought Perry was the one making the calls and sending the porno pics. But come to find out, that was Mark, and the phone calls stopped when Mark knew Julie had Ameritech do the tracing.

Talking now about the porno letters/pics - Julie told him about them, but they disposed of them. Now that right there is a sure sign of one of them knowing it wasn't Perry! If both Julie and Mark were innocent, then they'd both want to catch Perry! For sure, Mark would have!

Lt Hunter spoke w/Julie in January of 1992 - she told him that her husband was receiving harassing letters (porno) or phone calls at work. But she had nothing to give Lt Hunter to get fingerprints from, because her husband was throwing them away. Good point to get in.

Nothing further - Albee upon re-direct.

Exhibit 296 - Report. He'd asked to see some of the letters so that Lt Wagner could try and lift prints. She said that she had thrown the letters away.

He was aware that there were ongoing issues with harassing things happening at the Jensen house.

Lt Hunter done.

Albee calls Mr. Quintana, jailhouse anti-snitch.
He met Mark Jensen in the Kenosha county jail in September 7th through 10th. In J block. He asked Mark Jensen if he could borrow his newspaper. And he observed a couple guys taking advantage of Mark Jensen.

Quintana saw Thompson and other jailbirds picking on Mark Jensen and intimidating Mark. Trying to steal Mark's canteen. Mark had to give his chips and candy to Thompson.

Mark didn't fight back. He was scared!

Thompson made Jensen make phone calls! Quintana didn't want to get in any trouble so he didn't interfere.

Then he left on Monday for probation and parole holding. He told the guards that they should get Jensen out of there, cause some guys were taking advantage of him.

Thompson made Jensen make phone calls!

Quintana didn't want to get in any trouble so he didn't interfere.

Then he left on Monday for probation and parole holding. He told the guards that they should get Jensen out of there, cause some guys were taking advantage of him.

Next Witness: Brad Montgomery. Special Agent with Wisconsin Department of Justice since 1994. He is a computer forensics guy. Since end of 98/99. Not Rhonda Mitchell's supervisor. She's employed as a forensic analyst in computer lab.

She called him regarding a definition of "3rd party cookies". She told him she was a witness in this case. He was watching on and off. She wanted to know what a 3rd party cookie was. He doesn't know if she knew or not what it was. Was her question open ended? Some general conversation. Could you tell me what a 3rd party cookie is? He gave her an answer. Watched the rest of her testimony on and off.

When she was asked by Jambois what a 3rd party cookie is, he didn't see it. He did see when Albee asked her how she knew then, but didn't know earlier. She said it just came to me. Albee asked if she had talked to anyone, and she said no!

Montgomery said she had lied on the stand. So Montgomery went to other officers and asked if they saw the same thing he saw. Went to supervisor's office for him to talk to her. She wasn't in. So he sat on it over night. He sent e-mail to supervisor. Then he wrote the memo.

No questions by prosecutor!

Court is in recess for the day.

Thanks Intrepid and ritanita!

Bobby Cutts Murder Trial: Day Six

I didn't mean to hurt her!

Defense presents their case this morning. Witnesses for the defense should take up most of the day. Closing arguments should start tomorrow morning. Will Cutts take the stand today?

Defense calls Kylie Graham, a criminalist at the Stark County Crime Lab. She works with biological stains and DNA typing.

Ranke: Did you work on the Jessie Davis case?
A: Yes I was called to the Davis home.

Q: Were items from taken from any other location?
A: Yes

Q: Did you test items from the Cutts home?
A: Yes, clothing articles and shoes.

Graham tested the clothing for blood specifically. No blood was detected so no DNA typing was done.

Q: Did you find any bleach on those articles?
A: No.

There were some presumptive tests that showed up positive for blood but later tests could not confirm that blood was there.

No further questions.

Harnett asks Graham that the items from the Cutts house was collected on the 20th, a week after Jessie disappeared.
A: Yes

Q: Some of the items were collected from a washing machine?
A; Yes, I was aware of that.

Q: Washing would impede detecting blood or bleach?
A: Correct

Ranke: Some of the items weren’t clean, correct?
A: Correct.

No further questions. No jury questions.

Witness excused.

Next witness, Gary Rini, independent forensic scientist.
He is a former Denver police officer and has also received specialized training in blood analysis and luminol. Very extensive CV.

Rini says he normally testifies for the prosecution.

He gives an extensive definition in the use of luminol.

Rini says that even with bleach, luminol could still detect the presence of blood. Even if a full bottle of bleach was spilled, blood would be detected because the bleach would cause the blood to spread.

Rini is shown photos of the rug and asks if it appears someone was trying to clean up. He says no, the pattern doesn’t appear to indicate a cleanup.

Q: Does bleach speed up the decomposition of a body?
A: No, I’ve never heard that.

Q: If machine-washed, would you still be able to detect blood on clothing?
A: Yes, if you know what you are doing.

No further questions.

Hartnett asks as an independent, you get hired by defense teams? Yes, both defense and prosecution.

Q: The photos of the carpet that were shown to you, you have no idea why the bleach was poured on the carpet?
A: No I don’t.

No further questions. Jury has questions.

I have to say, I still don’t feel the defense is very effective!

Q: In your experience have you ever seen blood at the scene where a person has been killed by asphyxiation?

A: No, I wouldn’t expect to unless there was blood letting at the time.

Witness is excused.

Next witness is Officer Rick Stauffer. Deputy with Stark County Sheriffs Office.

Mack: What did you do in this investigation?
A: He became involved around the 19th.

Q: Did you conduct an interview a Michelle Foreman?
A: Yes, I think she was the ex-wife of Richard Mitchell.

Q: You were trying to locate Mitchell to interview him?
A: Yes.

Q: Who did you interview at Allstate? (Jessie’s employer)
A: Yes, I did 4-5 phone interviews.

Q: Who did you speak with?
A: I can’t tell without looking at my report.

Q Did you interview a Terrell Davis?
A: Yes, I believe he had a former relationship to Jessie.

Q: When did you interview Mr. Mitchell?
A: I think a week after the initial report,

Wow, this deputy says he reviewed his report yesterday and today and he can’t remember squat!

Mack is giving Stauffer a copy of his report to refresh his memory.

Q: He did you interview in connection with the disappearance of Jessie Davis?

Sidebar…

Q: After reviewing your report can you tell us who you interviewed from All State?

Stauffer is again going through his statement, sheesh.

Q: What was the relationship of Michelle Foreman with Richard Mitchell?

Another sidebar…

Disregard the last question!

Q: Was he a person of interest or a suspect?
A: A person of interest is anyone you want to talk to for information.

Another sidebar…

Q: Is it possible you got the name of Michelle Forman through phone records?
A: It’s possible, I don’t recall.

Q: Did you find that Michelle Forman had a child with Mr. Mitchell?
A: Yes, I believe so.

Boy, this guy isn’t the brightest crayon in the box! Have no idea what the defense thinks this guy brings to their case.

Yet another sidebar…

No further questions.

Hartnett: You interviewed Richard Mitchell because you found out his was one of Bobby Cutts’ best friends?
A: Yes.

Witness excused.

Next witness is Sergeant Eric Weisburn again.

Q: You went through phone records in this case.
A: Yes I did.

Q: You got a number of phone records in this case.
A: Yes.

Q: What was the original source of the phone records?
A: Numbers given to me by Cutts from his cell phones and home phone

Q: Then you went out and got his records?
A: That’s correct.

Weisburn said that he also used Jessie Davis' cell phone records to put names on a list.

Q: You spoke to Richard Mitchell?
A: Yes.

Q: Did you subpoena phone records for Richard Mitchell?
A: Yes we did.

There are two phone lists. A list of the people who owned phones and another list of people who spoke on those phones.

No further questions.

Hartnett: Are you aware that when you call this number, Richard Mitchell answers or his voicemail does?
A: Yes

No more questions. No jury questions.

Witness is excused, but may be recalled.

Sidebar called…jury sent to early lunch so the court can settle some matters. Court resumes at 12:45

Just heard there are only 2 more witnesses for the defense! His former partner at the police department? So, will the other one be Cutts himself?

There is approval by all parties of all the jury sequestering documents the court has prepared.

Next witness called, Bobby Cutts, OMG!

Cutts met Jessie, February or Mach 2004 at a nightclub. They spent the evening together and had sexual relations. Cutts was married but separated at the time. Cutts found out from a friend that Jessie was pregnant with Blake. He found out about Blake a few days after the birth. Cutts was happy to have a son. He always wanted a son. His nickname for Blake is Thunder.

Once Blake was born, he took a paternity test in April 2005. Claims he gave Jessie money for Blake before the paternity test and he saw him weekly.

Kelly accepted Blake into the family. There was no friction about Blake’s birth.

Jessie and Kelly had problems? Yes.
Jessie had placed her underwear in Kelly’s drawer.
Did you confront Jessie about the underwear? No.

Kelly and he separated again in 2005 and Bobby went back to Jessie. Jessie lost a baby in 2005.

Jessie contacted Kelly several times about having sex with Cutts. Cutts told Jessie to stop calling Kelly because it was causing problems at home.

In November 2006 Kelly and he had problems again and he was intimate with Jessie again. He said there were no expectations for him to leave his family with Kelly. He said that Jessie told him that she was seeing other people. He said that after Jessie called Kelly again, Kelly told him that Jessie was pregnant again. He said that based on the time frame, that the child could have been his. He said he told Jessie that he would take care of the child if it was his, just like he took care of Blake. He said he wasn't sure at the time if it was his since he believed she was having other relationships.

Kelly left in February because she no longer wanted to deal with Jessie and another child of Bobby’s. He was still seeing Blake at least once a week.

Any fights between you and Jessie between February and June 2007?

Was Richard Mitchell your best friend? No we golfed and coached together, but he was not my best friend.

Cutts said that he never represented to anyone that he would ever cause harm to anyone. He said that Richard Mitchell's statement had no base behind it. He said he would never joke about killing someone and throwing them in the woods.

Did you hear the statement by Mr. Mitchell? Yes.
Did you wonder why Mitchell…objection, sustained.

When Mitchell made the statement..objection

Sidebar…

Do you consider him your best friend? No I do not.

Bobby said that in the eight months that he's been in jail, Richard Mitchell never visited him.

In June 2007, what was your relationship with Jessie? The same as always.

Did you get a text message from Jessie on June 10th? Yes, she said that she may need me to watch Blake. She was maybe going to the hospital because she thought she might me going into labor. He went to the house for about 20 minutes; she was not in labor.

He said that he decided that he could watch Blake on Wednesday, June 13th or on Thursday, June 14th. He said that he and Jessie had decided that on Monday the 11th.

On the 10th, Myisha asked to borrow $100 because she had to move. Cutts told her she could have $20 for watching Blake on the 14th because he remembered he had to football practice, but had to repay the $80.

Cutts said he called Jessie after the 2nd game to tell her that he was going to Champs bar and that if he had anything to drink, he would wait until the next morning to get Blake. He said he then went to Champs and got there around 8:30-9:00pm. He said that Ladson was already there.

Cutts said that after going inside, he ordered food and a Corona. He said he had 4 or 5 beers in the four hours that he was there. He was at Champs till 1am.

After he left Champs on June 14th, he went to Stephanie Hawthorne’s. They watched TV in her room. They both fell asleep. He woke up around 2 am and he decided to go home because he had a lot to do and had to pick up Blake early in the morning.

He says he got up at 5:20 am to get ready to pick Blake up at 6am. He went to Jessie’s’, he went through the garage and into the house.

He saw her purse on the floor, but didn’t think anything of it. He called Jessie’s name. She said I’m up here. He asked her to get Blake ready to go.

She took her time to get up. He helped her get up off the floor. She’s kind of standing around getting her bearings. He told her to hurry up. She said if you weren’t out with your friends all night, you wouldn’t be hurrying me now. She said quit rushing me.

He said you know what, I can get Blake this weekend and started to leave and Jessie grabbed him by the shirt and said you can’t leave.

She stepped in front of him twice to prevent him from leaving. He said Jessie pushed him back. He put his finger up his nose and pointed at her face and she bit him. I couldn’t believe she bit me so hard. It was a joke; I wasn’t going to wipe my nose on her.

She grabbed me and I pulled my arm back and…Cutts just very dramatically burst into a crying jag. He said he just wanted to leave. He swung his elbow so she couldn’t grab him anymore.

Oh what a bunch of crap.

He was trying to get her arms off of him.

She's 9 months pregnant! If someone believes that they've got a big ol' hole in their head!

His elbow connected with Jessie’s throat area and she hit the ground. Harder, than he expected her to fall. He is still crying and Judge calls a sidebar.

Cutts has removed his glasses and is holding a tissue over his eyes.

He’s doing a great acting job here, but he has had months to practice.

Cutts said he didn’t see Jessie fall; he was walking to the door. He heard her fall and he went over to her and asked if she was all right. She didn’t respond. I shook her and she didn’t respond to that.

He checked for a pulse in her neck.

Sidebar…

He tried to administer CPR. She didn’t respond.
Was she bleeding anywhere from what you could see? No.

The crying act seems to be a bit forced to me.

He thought maybe she was just knocked out. He knew she didn’t have smelling salts so he looked for alcohol, but found the bottle of bleach. He poured bleach in the cap and put it under her nose.

What’s going through your head at this time? I thought what’s going on? I stand up and start crying and I collapsed onto her bed. I thinking, “how am I going to explain this?” I can’t believe anything like this could happen.

What’s the next thing you did? I decided to leave and get out of there.

Was Blake awake at anytime during all this? No not that I know. I decided I couldn’t leave Blake to find his mom that way. I checked on Blake and he was asleep.

I was pacing and trying to think what to do. That’s when I thought about getting Myisha to watch Blake. He wrapped Jessie and placed her in the truck. He concluded she was dead.

Why didn’t you call 911? I couldn’t get her cell phone to work.

“This can’t be happening, I’ve never hurt anyone.”

Why did you place Jessie in the bed of the truck? I just did.

He didn’t remember putting Jessie’s phone in the truck.

Was all of the bleach spilled out of the bottle? No.

Why didn’t you call the police? I didn’t know what to think. Like how the hell am I going to explain this?

Did you secure the home before you left? Yeah, I closed the garage and left through the back door so I had a way to get back in.

He got to Myisha’s and he told her to come with him now and she got in the truck. Is she aware that Jessie is in the truck? No.

If you had planed on killing Jessie, would you have involved Myisha? Objection!

Disregard the last question.

Why did you pick up Myisha? To watch Blake.

We ended up driving north on 77 to go back to Jessie’s house. I thought, I just moved her body, how the hell am I going to explain that. I just kept driving.

He tells Myisha, man, something bad happened. I just keep driving north. I looked at the clock and saw it was 7:10. 7:10 was the time Jessie had to leave. I called her phone. I don’t know why I called her phone.

Were you trying to conceal what happened? Objection! Overruled.

No, I wasn’t trying to conceal what happened. I wouldn’t have picked up Myisha if I was trying to conceal something.

He says he turns south to head back home. Myisha had to use the restroom so he stopped. They are about to get back on the highway when a State Trooper drove by and he panicked.

They are driving around back roads trying to get back to Canton. He tells Myisha he can’t keep driving around with Jessie’s body in the truck.

He sees a dirt road and drives into the park. He dumped Jessie’s body.

Myisha asked him what he was going to do? He says I don’t know. As he got into the truck, Jessie’s phone fell out of his pocket. He tries to throw the phone out the window.

Why? It doesn’t work, why would I need it?
He had Myisha throw the phone out of the truck.

He stopped so Myisha could get cigarettes at a store with a car wash and he sprayed his truck off because there were bugs and dirt on it.

He said he kept saying, "This is not real, this cannot be happening, this is a bad dream."

Cutts said when he went to turn around, he got out to see how much room he had and saw a pillow from Jessie's house still in the truck. He saw a dumpster and threw the pillow and a bag of trash that was in his truck into the dumpster. He said then he headed back toward Canton.

Cutts said he said to himself, if he just went on with his normal day, it would all go away. He said that when he looked at the clock, it said 8:40am and he realized he was going to be late for football practice.